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Would "Es lebe die Freiheit!" not be better translated as "Freedom lives!" as opposed to the current "Long live Freedom!"?Nf utvol
No, actually not. "Freedom lives!" would be "Die Freiheit lebt!" And where is the evidence that Hans Scholl converted to Roman Catholicism? His family was Lutheran, and I didn't find any source that said he converted. --91.34.22.59 16:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose that is correct, but it just seems like the English idiom of "long live freedom" doesn't quite translate like that. Admittedly though, my experience with German isn't thorough enough to recognize the proper use of idiomatic expressions.Nf utvol
Perhaps it is helpful to look at it from this angle: when a German speaker says "Es lebe der König!", the literal translation would be "The King lives!", while the use of the phrase actually relates to the idiomatic expression "Long live the King!", which would be the correct translation. Sorry, my English is seemingly not good enough to explain it by other means than an example... --91.34.4.56 12:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The picture caption cites Hans as the man on the left, in a military uniform, but the article makes no mention of his service. Whats the story there? 76.236.177.46 (talk) 14:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article is wholly insufficient and needs a lot of work. Brakoholic (talk) 05:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to see his military service reflected in the infobox, but don't know how to properly add it. I also do not have enough knowledge of the hierarchy of the Nazi military to accurately convey his service. But his service was pretty extensive and should be included. He was a sergeant.Brakoholic (talk) 09:39, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hans Scholl was involved in a homosexual relationship with a minor. That was also part of an earlier trial against him. --41.151.124.109 (talk) 20:30, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
do you have any references or evidence for this claim?149.172.96.95 (talk) 12:41, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty misleading subtext/implication to mention it being "with a minor" since Hans was a minor at the time too. Brakoholic (talk) 05:23, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The downplaying of Hans Scholl's importance in White Rose history[edit]
Hans Scholl was a bisexual who was put on trial for lewd acts with the same sex. These events are likely what turned him from the Nazi ideology in the first place, but are totally downplayed by his researchers, primarily his own surviving sister, who did so to protect his legacy at a time when this sort of thing was not acceptable. It has given rise to the role of Sophie being blown out of proportion. I noticed the discrepancy researching the White Rose movement here and elsewhere, and so went digging. This article does a great job of discussing the issues and looking at the reality of events and overlooked historical primary source documents. Hopefully I can read the book it relies upon eventually (written by a pastor!). I wanted to make a record of the article here because this whitewashing of Hans in White Rose history needs corrected. He was the founder of the White Rose, the principal in developing its ideology, and its primary author. I am not a crazy active editor here, but I will be watching these pages and have a long term goal of improving Hans's representation.
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