Talk:Hadiths regarding the legality of Nikah Mut'ah

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Im am reading some sources to improve the article, but it takes time. Feel free to give sugestions here on the talk page. --Striver 12:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-up suggestions[edit]

IMHO, the biggest problem with the page as it stands is that the "views" section appears to be almost entirely original research. A secondary problem is that the article's difficult to understand. It seems like you're on track to add scholars; my advice would be to explain clearly the sources of stuff like "views." The structure I would recommend would be something like:

One statement viewed as relevant to the question of who should host the Tonight Show is Jonny Carson's famous statement to Ed McMahon, accidentally made on air during the Tonight Show June 1, 1992.

F- Joan Rivers. I'll die before I let her take over the show.

Some Carson scholars have argued that this represented a general attitude against female hosts (cite), or against Jewish hosts (cite). However, other scholars have argued that Carson's well-known fondness for Phylis Diller and Gary Shandling(cite) indicates that his statement was directly solely at Rivers specifically.(cite)

(I've avoided the subject matter to try to avoid giving offense. Also, I made all that up, hopefully I didn't offend any Carson fans either.) The advantage of this format is that it clearly identifies who argues for one interpretation or the other, and doesn't put the WP editors in a position of pushing their own interpretation.

I think another good example is The Bible and homosexuality - it discusses a controversial textual subject fairly clearly, and without pushing OR.

Thanks, TheronJ 14:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks for the advice. If the article remains, please visit back in a few weeks to see how it has evolved. Peace. And by the way: It is not original research, i have read most of it, i just need to add the sources, and that takes time: to re-find them. --Striver 17:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Section finished[edit]

I just cleared a section, and splited it out, to make this article more focused. --Striver 20:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

this is usefull for finding Sunni sources regarding this issue. --Striver 22:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikicleanup[edit]

Alright, I'm just trying to initiate this discussion stemming off from an agreement reached by @User:ChrisGualtieri, @User:Sa.vakilian, @User:Faizhaider, myself and hopefully @User:EdJohnston once he logs in again. Anyone else who is interested could also greatly help out with this. The goal is to take what is reliably sourced and neutrally written from the articles on these inidividual ahadith and condense them here. MezzoMezzo (talk) 11:13, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Brother,

These Hadiths have reliable sources or at least Shia reliable sources.

In addition Muhammad Husayn Tabatabaei has gathered in Tafsir al-Mizan, which is a secondary reliable source, some Hadiths in this regard. This book is useful because it is accessible in English and is not written in a Jurisprudential (Fiqhi) style. Of course, it is written from Shia POV and we should add Sunni POV as well. You can find these hadith here under "A Review of Traditions About Mut'ah Marriage " subtitle.--Seyyed(t-c) 11:00, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

'A Probe Into The History Of Hadith' by Allamah Murtaza Al-Askari page 118-126 details about Mut'ah where he also lists Hadith of Umar's speech of forbidding Mut'ah & Hadith of Mut'ah and Imran ibn Husain. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 15:13, 18 June 2013 (UTC) Another book 'Questions On Jurisprudence (Masa’il Fiqhiyya)' by al-Imam ‘Abd al-Husayn Sharaf al-Din al-Musawi and translated by Dr. Liyakatali Takim page 67-84 discuss about topic of Mut'ah and list following amongst those who rejected the prohibition of Mutah and allowed it were Imam Ali, Ibn Abbas, Jabir, Abd Allah Ibn Umar, Abd Allah ibn Masud, Imran ibn Husayn, Abd al-Malik ibn Abd al-Aziz ibn Jurayh Abu Khaliq al-Makki.--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 15:28, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notable authors, especially scholars who are known such as Tabatabaei, are great actually. I'm not sure we need to state "Such and such says X and he is (Sunni/Shi'a)," because that itself is a bit pointy. What we could say is before any sentence, we simply state the name of the cited author; for example, "Muhammad Tabatabaei/Ali Tantawi/Milfred Madelung says/holds/states/etc." Verbs such as "proves/disproves/refutes/shows/notes" are best avoided. That way, the readers of this article will just make up their minds, or possibly read with interest without necessarily forming an opinion. Based on the sources you guys gathered from the first two articles, can you try to post some preliminary content? MezzoMezzo (talk) 02:32, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]