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This hadith appears in Sahih Muslim and other canonical Sunni sources[edit]

I'll hopefully rewrite large parts of the article to better match the Wiki guidelines. Albertatiran (talk) 15:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Untitled)[edit]

The article has returned to a NPOV. Please stop defining the Sunni position via Shia websites.

http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=678&page=2 --Striver 16:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A lie[edit]

The following is a lie, the Ahlusunnah does not accept this version. The only one who did was Muhammad Nasirudeen Al-Albani.

Both Sunnis and Shi'as accept that Muhammad said the following:

"I m leaving among you something which is very important and should be followed, you will not go astray if you get hold of it after I am gone, one part of it being more important than the other: Allah's Book, which is a rope stretched from Heaven to Earth, and my close relatives, who belong to my household. These two will not separate from one another till they come down to the reservoir, so consider how you act regarding them after my departure." (Tirmidhi, Sahih Muslim) Both Sunnis and Shi'as believe in respecting Ahl al-Bayt. However, it is only the Shi'as who claim that the Caliph (leader) of the Muslims must always be a descendant of Muhammad. Sunnis reject that it can only be Imam Ali, in whose household Muhammad was raised, whom Muhammad has chosen through the divine revelation to be the caliph of Muslim Ummah.

87.51.211.84 15:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please bring some references for your allegation?

--85.183.206.130 (talk) 00:47, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral point of view and consistency[edit]

In the interests of neutrality, I have changed language of "accept" to "believe" and similar edits.
I have removed this sentence: "The Shi'as believe that Muhammad said this hadith so many times because he wanted to stress how important it was that the Muslims only take his own descendants as leaders" because, especially in the absence of a citation, it is inappropriate for the article's authors to present their interpretations as authoritative or representative.
I have changed "the Shi'as" to "Shi'as" throughout because of an inconsistency between how "Shia Muslims" in plural were being referred to.
I have deleted the sentence "It is these latter versions that more strongly support the Shi'a interpretation that Muhammad intended to keep the leadership of the Muslims within his own family" because it is in total disregard of the Neutral Point of View policy. The purpose of the article is not to interpret the hadith, but to objectively describe its text, its history, and its social importance. The article should not be seen as an opportunity to provide an authoritative sectarian interpretation of the hadith.76.119.208.81 (talk) 22:50, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cooperation to improve the article[edit]

@HyperGaruda, MezzoMezzo, Mhhossein, Toddy1, Human10.0, FreeatlastChitchat, and Nannadeem: Following our successful cooperation in Ali and Taqiya and invite you discuss about this article. Unfortunately, it has POV since 2010. In addition, it contains Original Research based on Hadith collections.--Seyyed(t-c) 09:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Seyyed, I found some useful sources; [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. Mhhossein (talk) 12:35, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source 1 and 2 are merely passing mentions. 3, 4 and 5 seem OK. 6 and 7 will be difficult to use in rewriting the article, since only a short snippet view is available, unless of course you have access to the entire book. 8 might be useful as extra information, but it does not give the basic stuff we need for rewriting. - HyperGaruda (talk) 20:00, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Interpretation[edit]

The Interpretation part is full of long quotation referenced with Primary sources. So I remove this section and try to replace the relevant material.Saff V. (talk) 10:16, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

the sunni version of replacing ahl-bayt with sunnah is not proper[edit]

[9]

Dr Adnan ibrahim claims that the replacing "ahl-bayt" with "sunnah" in the hadith is a corruption instigated by the umayyid dynasty in order to villify the status of the household of the prophet.

In order to justify his claim, Dr Adnan ibrahim says that the corruption is not in any of the 6 sahih hadith books,

[10] [11] [12] [13]

i propose that this critical piece of information be incorporated into the text.

The original wiki entry links to some sources that aren't either accessible or do not contain the actual text. Mhveinvp (talk) 08:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]