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Native Americans or Indians??[edit]

Though Hackensack (Native American) would seem more PC than Hackensack Indians, neither seems necessary. Why not just Hackensack, as most groups of people (Cherokee, Swede, Wappani, Irish)are described? In any case the Lenape nation, in most of their materials also refer to themselves as Delaware Indian. It is unclear how the Bogota website can assume an tributary people (in other words ones that were absorbed into other tribes) would know what the preference would be?

In addition to general respect for the preference of the original peoples of the United States, PC or not, we also have a reliable source that seems to support the non-use of "Indians". As Hackensack is already a disambiguation page, as it probably should redirect to Hackensack, New Jersey if it goes anywhere and as few people would assume that Hackensack is the article for the tribe, I think that it would be hard to justify the removal of some term to disambiguate the tribe. If there are modern reliable sources that refer to the "Hackensack Indians" we should take that into account, but the term is problematic. Alansohn (talk) 05:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the website: http://www.delawaretribeofindians.nsn.us/ it appears that some Lenape refer to themselves as Indians. Whether these particular people can claim descendency from Hackensacks is unclear. Though I do not necessarily like the term Native Americans in this context, the argument for keeping it, namely to make it distinct from other Hackensack entries, suffices to let it stand.```` http://members.tripod.com/~lenapelady/deltreaty1.html is another site in which contemporary Lenape refer to themselves (as Indians)Djflem (talk) 02:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.nanticoke-lenape.org/Djflem (talk) 02:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
from:Native American name controversy

Many of those who are covered by the term strongly prefer "American Indian" over "Native American".^[1]^[2] According to the US Census Bureau, as of 1995 50% preferred "American Indian", 37% "Native American", and the remainder preferred other terms or had no preference.^[3] The term has also been contested by some non-Native U.S. citizens, both for the perception that the name diminished their own status or rights (anyone born in the US could be called a "Native American"), and also as part of the general backlash against "political correctness", for which the term was often cited as an example. However, there is a growing consensus that either term is correct and that the terms may be used interchangeably.^[4] However, many now prefer to be designated by their specific tribe.^[4] Djflem (talk) 21:40, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many of those who are covered by the term strongly prefer "American Indian" over "Native American".^[5]^[6] According to the US Census Bureau, as of 1995 50% preferred "American Indian", 37% "Native American", and the remainder preferred other terms or had no preference.^[7] The term has also been contested by some non-Native U.S. citizens, both for the perception that the name diminished their own status or rights (anyone born in the US could be called a "Native American"), and also as part of the general backlash against "political correctness", for which the term was often cited as an example. However, there is a growing consensus that either term is correct and that the terms may be used interchangeably.^[4] However, many now prefer to be designated by their specific tribe.^[4]

References

^ Dennis Gaffney (2006). ""American Indian" or "Native American": Which Is Correct?". PBS. Retrieved 2007-10-17.
^ "Indian Eristic". Wisconsin Office of State Employment Relations. January 5, 2007. Retrieved 2007-10-17. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
^ Clyde Tucker, Brian Kojetin, and Roderick Harrison (1995). A statistical analysis of the CPS supplement on race and ethnic origin (PDF). Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bureau of the Census. Retrieved 2007-10-18. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Borgna Brunner. "American Indian versus Native American:A once-heated issue has sorted itself out". American Indian Heritage Month. Retrieved 2007-10-18. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
^ Dennis Gaffney (2006). ""American Indian" or "Native American": Which Is Correct?". PBS. Retrieved 2007-10-17.
^ "Indian Eristic". Wisconsin Office of State Employment Relations. January 5, 2007. Retrieved 2007-10-17. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
^ Clyde Tucker, Brian Kojetin, and Roderick Harrison (1995). A statistical analysis of the CPS supplement on race and ethnic origin (PDF). Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bureau of the Census. Retrieved 2007-10-18. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

Kiersted[edit]

A tolk is someone who does simultaneous spoken translation (as opposed to written). The tract she recieved seems to have been Bogota, Teaneck, maybe Hackensack and other surrounding communities, whcih is difficult to wikify....and perhaps not necessary for this article.Djflem (talk) 02:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Precise Language[edit]

I am a little confused about which language they spoke. The article says "the Hackensack spoke the Unami dialect, a member of the Algonquian language family." My confusion arises since according to the disambiguation page "Unami" can both refer to the Lenape language and its sublanguage Unami language. By saying that the Hackensack spoke the "Unami dialect", this article seems to point that they in fact spoke the Unami language branch of the Lenape languages. But that goes against the map which indicates the area of the Hackensack as being firmly in the section dominated by the Munsee language, the other Lenape language. So did the Hackensack speak the Unami language or the Munsee language? The higher linguistic classification (Lenape -> Algonquian) is clear, but it must be made clear which of Unami and Munsee the Hackensack spoke. Also, I don't think "dialect" is the linguistically correct word here, considering that it's considered a language in a language family. Dialects are variations within a single language. -Krasnoludek (talk) 12:13, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The Hackensack Indians did not speak Unami and they are not Unami Lenape.[edit]

The Hackensack Indians never spoke Unami all these peoples including sachem Oratam were and are not Unami. It can be proven through the Original land deeds and patents that the Indians are speaking Munsee Lenape . 2600:1001:B01C:440B:C1EF:468B:E4CB:C94B (talk) 22:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Dennis Gaffney (2006). ""American Indian" or "Native American": Which Is Correct?". PBS. Retrieved 2007-10-17.

[2] "Indian Eristic". Wisconsin Office of State Employment Relations. January 5, 2007. Retrieved 2007-10-17. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

[3] Clyde Tucker, Brian Kojetin, and Roderick Harrison (1995). A statistical analysis of the CPS supplement on race and ethnic origin (PDF). Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bureau of the Census. Retrieved 2007-10-18. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

[bb-4] Borgna Brunner. "American Indian versus Native American:A once-heated issue has sorted itself out". American Indian Heritage Month. Retrieved 2007-10-18. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

[5] Dennis Gaffney (2006). ""American Indian" or "Native American": Which Is Correct?". PBS. Retrieved 2007-10-17.

[6] "Indian Eristic". Wisconsin Office of State Employment Relations. January 5, 2007. Retrieved 2007-10-17. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

[7] Clyde Tucker, Brian Kojetin, and Roderick Harrison (1995). A statistical analysis of the CPS supplement on race and ethnic origin (PDF). Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bureau of the Census. Retrieved 2007-10-18. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

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