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coords issue[edit]

BC Names and CGNDB both have only rounded coords, other than for Health Lagoon. If you read through all of the cites, Health Bay (locality), Health Bay (bay), the IR cite and the Former FN Village cite, there is some debate as to the exact location of the former village, and they're not certain if the Health Bay locality is the same; close enough for government work as we say, there's a few others like this where what's in the files isn't complete or questions remain unanswered; there's only one person who works at BC Names....many coords have been precisely updated; years ago nearly all were rounded. The other curious bit is the former FN village part....what they mean there is the original village that the Nuxalk destroyed in the 1850s...the IR today is occupied, or re-occupied, and is considered the homebase of this group of Kwakwaka'wakw, even though their DBA office is in distant Campbell River. There's a Gilford Island/Health Bay Waterdrome, so the site is occupied.

I had a look at the coords on googlemaps.....it's interesting because on the map-only view, the marker is nearer the shoreline; on the satellite view, it's more up in the forest. How many yards that is hard to say, but those are big trees so it's not shoreline; which was usually where villages are/were. I don't know of another site that would have official coords for this; someone would have to go there, stand in Gwayasdums, today's Gwayasdums anyway do a GPS; one day BC Names or the GSC will update these; others are similarly in their vagueness of "is this such-and-so, or is it this-or-that" and say so; Aglakumnala Island where Aglakumna-la IR No. 1A is (or 4A? - typing from memory) are parallel to Aglakumnalla or something like that, which is "unclassified". Even on BC Names maps this shows as the middle of the water, even though the coords are more precise; and all are the same as Klaotsis Island, which I gather is the "Klaotsis" mentioned in this article (it's another spelling of Tlowitsis btw). Kalugwis and certain others have similar iffiness on location issues, but the convergent coords on them tells a different story.

These are mostly highly significant villages both historically and culturally as well as in terms of their re-assertion by native communities in recent decades; some were quite large, Gwayasdums, Yalis, Kalugwis, Paas/Ba'as (virtually a fortress), Tsaxis.....there's more, the project of making these finally has just begun; it involves making the related island and strait articles and as you can see I'm trying to integrate them with each other; the Central Coast category needs breaking down into Johnstone Strait, QC Strait, Smith Sound, Rivers Inlet, and more; there are 20,000 islands on the BC Coast, most won't need articles; others because they have histories or IRs or mines or ? will; trick is intergrating them all, hence all the coords.

Anyways there's no source for the coords that I consider reliable; I see a lot of source:GNS-wiki which I take it is some kind of map reading; we can assume maybe that that point in the shoreline south of the marker is where Gwayasdums is, as it's the only habitation there; what Health Bay may be other than an IR community i.e. non-native settlements, a post office, I don't know yet; many of these places do have postal codes though...Skookum1 (talk) 16:19, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]