Talk:Guillaume de Nogaret

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Unchastity[edit]

Re my edit of 15 Sept 2007 changing incontinence to unchastity: Could also be lack of restraint in speech, or simply immodesty (OED). In this use, incontinence is definitely archaic in English, a direct translation from the archaic French term. Found no confirmation among multiple French internet sources that Guichard was charged with "incontinence." -Eric ^(talk) 05:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slapped the pope?[edit]

My encyclopaedia says: (under Philip IV) - in 1303 he shocked Europe when his envoy Wilhelm Nogaret slapped Pope Boniface VIII --Revery (talk) 16:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heretic father or grandfather?[edit]

Here it says that Guillaume's father was condemned as a heretic during the Albigensian crusade, but on the french version of this page it says that it was his grandfather who was accused and condemned for these crimes: "Le grand-père de Guillaume de Nogaret aurait été Raymond de Nogaret, un Toulousain cathare condamné pour hérésie".

What is the truth? Isabelcharlottepedrazzoli, 13 March 0918

Hi Isabel and all- First, a welcome to Isabel--I put some guidance on your talkpage for getting started here on Wikipedia: User_talk:Isabelcharlottepedrazzoli.

Now, on the father vs grandfather question, it looks to be more likely the latter. I found a couple documents that give us a few clues. My impression is that little or nothing is known for certain about Guillaume before 1302. A couple texts in French: pages 299 & 300 of the 1730 book Histoire de la maison royal de France and a journal article from 1941 titled Guillaume de Nogaret, petit fils d' hérétique. The latter's author seems to conclude that if there was a heretic ancestor, it would have been Guillaume's grandfather, who might have been called Raymond, and that he was probably not burned at the stake. Note: search that article for "grand-père" if you don't care to read the whole thing. Eric ^talk 15:04, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]