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Requested move 15 February 2024[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus (talk) 05:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grim Sleeper → Lonnie Franklin – Per WP:OFFICIAL, "where an official name exists for the subject of a Wikipedia article, that name is ipso facto the correct title for the article", e.g. articles of convicted killers should be under their real name not a nickname given to them by the press before they were caught. TomCat4680 (talk) 00:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move. This has no clear basis in policy; certainly, we wouldn't move Jack the Ripper (et al) if their identities were proven. O.N.R. ^(talk) 01:20, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Totally different circumstances. This guy was tried and convicted. Jack the Ripper obviously never will be. Also that was an alias he gave to himself, Grim Sleeper was a nickname given to him by the press. TomCat4680 (talk) 06:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly oppose WP:OFFICIALNAMES is not policy, but an essay stating editors incorrectly believe official names are to be used. The proposal misses the two counter-statements in the sentence there, People often assume that, where an official name exists for the subject of a Wikipedia article, that name is ipso facto the correct title for the article, and that if the article is under another title, then it should be moved. In many cases, this is contrary to Wikipedia practice and policy.. WP:COMMONNAME is the main policy, which is proposal does not prove. If sources use their real name more than the alias, then it would follow policy. Dank Jae 23:11, 15 February 2024 (UTC
- Comment: The media doesn't make Wikipedia's policies. Name one other solved/convicted killer's article that's under their nickname not their real name. TomCat4680 (talk) 01:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
COMMONNAME is literally “secondary sources use what”. If a subject is more known by a nickname or shorter (but precise) name then Wikipedia uses that. Your proposal doesn’t cite a Wikipedia policy. Provide evidence of their real name is used more than their nickname.

WP:OFFICIAL is an essay explaining why it ISNT a policy. Dank Jae 18:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ngrams shows Grim Sleeper is the WP:COMMONNAME. Dank Jae 20:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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