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Greensburg, Kansas[edit]

It should be first on the list of sister cities..as it stands it's not on the list at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.158.55 (talk) 16:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John Kerry - not there[edit]

I was at the event in which John Edwards had come to Greensburg, and John Kerry wasn't even in the state if I recall. I know for a fact however he was NOT in Greensburg as the article states.

Railroads[edit]

The article states incorrectly that CSX operates in Greensburg. Norfolk Southern operates what was originally the main line of the Pennsylvania Railroad through Greensburg, PA, with one Amtrak train each day over NS tracks. There is an independent feeder railroad (former PRR tracks) operating south from Greengate. I believe it is county owned. This serves several coal mines and the commercial industrial complex surrounding the Sony plant at New Stanton. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.65.68 (talk) 13:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hospital[edit]

How is a hospital a point of interest? Excela Health does not belong there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.235.53.51 (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've protected the article for 48 hours to allow you to sort this out here. My protection is not a endorsment of the current version, it's to stop the edit warring. The version that gains consensus can be applied when the protection expires. Peter 12:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Logically, if Excela Westmoreland Hospital doesn't belong there, then neither would the Palace Theatre or the Westmoreland Museum of American Art, since they too could be considered as advertising. Westmoreland Mall is also there, and it's strictly a shopping venue, does that make it an advertisement too? Pretty much all the locations listed on the list then would have to be deleted since it would fall under the criteria for advertising on Wikipedia. That also means other similar point of interest sections of other city articles would also fall under that same criteria. Notable hospitals such as the Cleveland Clinic and the Mayo Clinic are considered points of interest for their widely-known facilities and world-class care. Excela Westmoreland Hospital, while not in the same stature as the aformentioned hospitals, is still a regional facility serving Westmoreland County and surrounding areas of Fayette, Somerset and Indiana Counties. It is also the flagship hospital of Excela Health, a regional healthcare provider that is the third-largest healthcare provider in Western Pennsylvania behind West Penn Allegheny Health System and UPMC and serves a market that encompasses several counties. That makes it notable enough to be included in the points of interest list. Likewise, it is also a major employer in Westmoreland County as well as Greensburg where it is based. Neurodistortion (talk) 09:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Palace and Westmoreland mall are places a visitor may want to go to. You don't want to go to a hospital. And Excela is not widely known and it doesn't have world-class care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.241.144 (talk) 04:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A visitor or resident may want to go to the hospital if there's an emergency situation or if they have a reason that warrants having to go to the hospital in the first place. You're implying that a hospital is not a tourist attraction. Nobody ever said that it was a tourist attraction, not all of the places on the list with the exception of the Westmoreland Museum of American Art and the Palace Theatre are considered to be true tourist attractions to anyone outside of the Greater Greensburg area. It is however a point of interest in the essence that it is a major healthcare facility in Westmoreland County and serves a larger market than other hospitals in the area. After all, the definition of a point of interest is as follows, a specific point location that someone may find useful or interesting. So your logic suggests that hospitals, which are typically notable locations in the cities they're located in, aren't useful to the general public. Also, saying that Excela doesn't have world-class care is pure speculation or just someone's opinion. It does offer many specialized services however which are comparable to the services offered in UPMC or West Penn hospitals. In addition, you claim that Excela is not widely known but that does not change the fact that it is still the third-largest healthcare provider in Western Pennsylvania, so it is still notable in that sense. It is also a relatively new company that continues to expand beyond Westmoreland County and advertises its facilities and services throughout Western Pennsylvania. Neurodistortion (talk) 05:15, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you ask for a third opinion to help work this out. I don't want to see another revert on the article about this until there is concensus here about the listing. Peter 23:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Response to Third Opinion Request:

Disclaimers: I am responding to a third opinion request made at WP:3O. I have made no previous edits on Greensburg, Pennsylvania and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process (FAQ) is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. Third opinions are not tiebreakers and should not be "counted" in determining whether or not consensus has been reached. My personal standards for issuing third opinions can be viewed here.

Opinion: Consensus was reached at WikiProject Cities that articles about cities in the US ought to "Include information on hospitals and clinics in the city." In my opinion, if that information is not to be included in the narrative of the article it ought to be included in a list. I would, however, note that the term "points of interest" is used in that guideline under the Arts and Culture subhead only to refer to "museums and other points of interest". That section does not say, however, what should or should not be included in a list entitled "Points of Interest", it just uses the term in passing to say what should and should not be in an article about a US city. On the other hand, there was at one time a category named "Points of Interest in the Quad Cities", which was changed by consensus to "Visitor attractions in the Quad Cities" because, in part, "points of interest" was too open–ended. There is, in my opinion, no accepted consensus at Wikipedia of what ought to be included in or excluded from a "points of interest" list, but there is consensus that information about health care facilities ought to be included in articles about US cities. I see no particular harm in leaving the hospital in the points of interest list until more can be written about it in the body of the article. If additional hospitals or health care facilities are added to the points of interest list, it might be beneficial to create a new list entitled "Health Care" or "Health Care Facilities," but the better solution would be to write a section of the article about them. It is to be noted that the WikiProject Cities guideline does make it clear that things and places introduced into an article about a city must be reliably sourced and must avoid original research.

What's next: Once you've considered this opinion click here to see what happens next.—TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 14:08, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree with the opinion above, I'm afraid that we still haven't reached a consensus if the other editor won't respond, despite that the listing continues to be removed from the article. Thanks for your help though. Neurodistortion (talk) 20:18, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I told the both of you to stop reverting. As you clearly don't seem able to follow that, I've protected the article again. If there is no response from the IP here soon, I will assume that means the third opinion above is accepted (or at least that further edits against it are out of line with the closest thing to consensus that is probably going to be reached here), and the article can be edited in line with that. Peter 11:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

It shouldn't be there. It is listed under major employers, that is good enough. It isn't something that sticks out as a point of interest. Points of interest ar ehistorical landmarks, museums, visitor attractions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.211.164 (talk) 02:26, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A hospital is still considered to be a visitor attraction in the essence that it is a major healthcare facility in Westmoreland County and may be used for that purpose to visitors or residents of the area. Attractions for that matter don't strictly have to refer to tourist destinations but it may include notable locations within the city and a hospital is typically a notable location. According to Dictionary.com, an attraction can be "a person, place, thing, or event that is intended to attract." In this case, a hospital attracts people for the sole purpose of seeking treatment or visiting patients. Moreover, a lot of healthcare facilities have road signs that direct an out-of-town visitor to a hospital typically from areas outside of the hospital's municipality. If you have an emergency and don't know where the nearest hospital is, those road signs could prove to be very useful. Therefore, hospitals can be considered notable locations even beyond the municipality that the facility is located. Perhaps it would make more sense to rename the Points of Interest section as Visitor Attractions or Notable Attractions. Neurodistortion (talk) 03:47, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We could rename it Visitor Attractions and make a seperate list for medical facilities.

That may be a possibility, but since there's only one major hospital in the Greensburg area, there's really not much that we could write about, unless you want to include additional information on Excela Health and we don't want that, just information on the hospital itself. Also, there's outpatient facilities operated by Excela that may also be included within that section. Neurodistortion (talk) 20:19, 21 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.94.221.221 (talk) [reply]

There are seperate outpateint clinics that are not owned or run by Excela. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.228.210 (talk) 00:43, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Need additional citations[edit]

There are a number of sections that need citations to substantiate what we're saying here. The History section is a good place to start. Thanks! BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 13:40, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]