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Green Knight has been listed as one of the Language and literature good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
May 27, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
May 29, 2007	Peer review	Reviewed
June 16, 2009	Good article reassessment	Kept
March 7, 2024	Good article reassessment	Kept
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 22, 2007. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that the Green Knight (pictured) of medieval literature is thought by many scholars to represent the Devil due to its strange colour?
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Arabic[edit]

Could someone provide a transliteration for the Arabic "Green Man"? Using Arabic script in this type of article is superfluous. Those who can read Arabic can make do with a transliteration.

Peter ^Isotalo 11:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's in there, "Al-Khidr". I moved the Arabic script to a more logical place. I'd like to keep it, as I think it makes it look more official, but then again, I'm a bit biased, as I'm an student in Arabic. Wrad 11:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA candidate comments[edit]

I think this article covers the main points, the main literature where the character appears and the main interpretations. I would like to see the prose touched up some. The paragraph split in the lead seems off. The first sentence seems to go better with the first paragraph, with the second paragraph emphasizing the "greenness". I would like to see a mention of other points critics find relevant, such as the beard compared to a bush, and the way the Green Chapel is overgrown. I realize this is not an article on the Gawain text per se, but it is relevant how the character is used in the various texts, and how they differ. The connection with Christmas, the colorful imagery (green and red and gold), and the beheading themes would be worth developing to illustrate how and why this character was used in the Gawain story. Some of this would take research, and is perhaps a bit more of an FA than a GA requirement. So for now:

Done fixed the intro. Will add more as we push for FA status. Wrad 18:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Severely limit the use of the word "also". The word can usually be eliminated, improving the text with no loss of meaning.

Done Wrad 18:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Add something about the nature imagery associated with the Green Knight.

Done don't know how we missed that one. Added a bit about his connections with nature. Wrad 19:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A bit more on the differences in the character between the three texts mentioned. In Greene Knight, for instance, the character returns to Arthur's court, but not in the Gawain text.

Done Can't believe we missed that one. Wrad 18:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Something, even a sentence, which addresses the question - why is this particular character recurring in medieval literature? The character plays a role in Arthurian legend, but what the role does the character play, or is thought to play, in broader medieval thought? Gimmetrow 07:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done explained this in first paragraph of intro. Wrad 19:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. Gimmetrow 03:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology section[edit]

Basically, I put the "Bachlach" info there because it was in a peer-reviewed, scholastic journal. I kind of figure that is enough to back it up. The article says nothing about the specific language, probably because it didn't want to get into technical detail. I'd like to keep it. If anyone knows where "Bachlach" comes from and can add it, that would be great, though. Wrad 04:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm sure whoever wrote it in the article was just mentioning it in passing. But there's no such thing as a "Celtic language". Welsh would not have the same word for "churl" as Irish or Breton. I'd rather we had a more detailed referenced, but it's probably a minor point.--Cúchullain ^t/c 07:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

C.S. Lewis Quotation[edit]

In this article, C.S. Lewis is quoted as saying that The Green Knight is "as vivid and concrete as any image in literature." In this article at section 6.2, J.R.R. Tolkein is quoted as saying the exact same thing. The citation points to the same source, too.

Who said it?

74.32.224.157 (talk) 22:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

C. S. Lewis. Wrad (talk) 22:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Green Knight/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

GA Sweeps: Kept[edit]

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing Sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I went through the article and made various changes, please look them over. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good Article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2007. I would recommend adding a section on the modern portrayals of the character (such as Sean Connery's portrayal in Sword of the Valiant). Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would be beneficial to update the access dates for all of the online sources. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 02:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Historical Context;[edit]

There does exist another mention of a "Green Knight! Please see; http://books.google.com/books?id=xSoLAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA331&lpg=PA331&dq=peter+the+bastard&source=bl&ots=NmQoyrWW8E&sig=5hJL3ePt2f-SGvkaVyCcmxOg81s&hl=en&ei=sf6DS5DAEZOA8gbzkaGiAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAcQ6AEwATgU#v=onepage&q=corro&f=false

ON pages; 249, 267 and 332! You might also notice that the above book concerns the life of a 14th century Spanish King, I.e.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_of_Castile, which strikingly fits into the same time period.69.92.23.64 (talk) 17:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes[reply]

Note no. 30[edit]

Note no. 30 reads: Wilson, Edward. "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight and the Stanley Family of Stanley, Storeton, and Hooton." The Review of English Studies. (August 1979) 30.119 pgs. 308-316.

What does the 30.119 after (August 1979) mean? --Bob Collowân (talk) 19:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vol 30, Iss 119. Wrad (talk) 21:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thank you. --Bob Collowân (talk) 10:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Green Knight (film) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 22:21, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Really?[edit]

" In the Celtic tradition, green was avoided in clothing for its superstitious association with misfortune and death. "

I've never heard of this before 2600:1017:B02B:6281:9823:8F6C:10F7:C6DD (talk) 20:22, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

Green Knight[edit]

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Result: Issues have been fixed. Spinixster (chat!) 10:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article from 2007, reassessed in 2009. Alongside the 5 citation needed tags, the article has many more unsourced paragraphs. For example, in the lead, Scholar and writer J. R. R. Tolkien called him the "most difficult character" to interpret in the introduction to his edition of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight., is unsourced and not seen elsewhere in the article. Spinixster (chat!) 09:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've filled in the citations that have been tagged. The "most difficult character" is from Burrow (now cited), not Tolkien. It should be straightforward for anyone to cite anything else that is challenged here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spinixster: I've supplied citations for the (few) unsourced paragraphs, mostly primary "plot" material which we normally don't consider needs to be cited actually. Anyway, the whole text is now cited. The article is in good shape so I suggest we close this as Keep. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.