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March 6, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
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Proposed merge of Greater Manchester Built-up Area into Greater Manchester[edit]

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Reject merging of article(s) as per snow consensus against. GenQuest ^"scribble" 21:02, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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This article pretty much just covers the wider county with small exceptions of a few towns and villages not in the county (IE Wilmslow, Glossop and Newton-le-Willows) but be better placed in the GM article and adding a bit to each non GM town and village about them being part of the BUA... DragonofBatley (talk) 14:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are you planning to do the same with all the other Urban Area articles? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Urban_areas_of_England WatcherZero (talk) 16:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note that places like Wigan aren't in the BUA but are in the county. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - As others have said the Greater Manchester Buil-up area differs from Greater Manchester quite a bit in that it excludes Wigan and includes a few towns outside Greater Manchester. Eopsid (talk) 22:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Agree with points made above regarding Wigan etc. Also noting that articles on Built-Up Areas are typically more statistical in tone, as such is a different topic. FJones2123 (talk) 13:41, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Its conflating a political entity with a statistical term just because they share the same descriptive name, e.g. An Eccles Cake isnt a cake despite having cake in the name. WatcherZero (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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FA sweeps[edit]

The article has some issues:

unsourced content has accumulated in places
non-hqrs sources such as Forbes contributors and press release from Marketing Manchester are cited
upon investigation I found and flagged failed verification issues in the demography section—have not examined the rest of the article
datedness such as "as of November 2012" has crept in.
At 10682 words, I don't think the article meets requirements for length and summary style. Some of the detail in the history section, for example, seems UNDUE.

The article will also need updating considering the 2021 UK census. (t · c) buidhe 20:50, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merger Proposal 8 December 2022[edit]

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Agree to merging of article(s) per CONSENSUS. Entities are basically the same thing with slight differences, easily explained in the article. Interested party or proposer Chocolateediter should proceed with the merge. GenQuest ^"scribble" 04:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I propose merging Manchester City Region into Greater Manchester. They is no statutory body called Manchester City Region, the mayoral combined authority and local enterprise partnership are both named Greater Manchester which is the same name as the county. The LEP may have once been called the Manchester City Region LEP or a predecessor to the MCA, similar to South Yorkshire LEP, this is no longer the case. Leeds LEP and Liverpool LEP+MCA are the only ones I think continue to use the term city region in their names. Chocolateediter (talk) 16:13, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - either merging here or to merge with Greater Manchester Combined Authority. Having an article on the city region implies that it is distinct from the combined authority which is not true (although the initial proposal was wider than the metropolitan county). The LEP is also being absorbed by the combined authority and renamed accordingly. -- M2Ys4U ^(talk) 09:49, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cmnt: Pinging prior participants from recent similar merge request: @WatcherZero:, @DragonofBatley:, @Eopsid:, @FJones2123:, @Crouch, Swale:. GenQuest ^"scribble" 19:14, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support- I support a merge here or the article on the combined authority. The areas are the same. Would be different if they included more than just Greater Manchester but it doesnt. Eopsid (talk) 19:19, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Its a stub page but would make more sense to merge with the Manchester Combined Authority page than the County page. WatcherZero (talk) 19:57, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support it seems to have the same area as the county. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:19, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't the city region something that covers parts of Lancashire Derbyshire and Cheshire though? DragonofBatley (talk) 23:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The Manchester City Region is a distinct entity with a different function, covering a much larger area than the metropolitan county or the Greater Manchester Combined Authority - see the maps in the articles. There is however some material in the article on the City Region that is actually about the Combined Authority, and it should probably be transferred to that article. --Helmshore (talk) 13:18, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reading the Manchester city region article, it originally had a couple extra districts in it but since 2009 has the same boundaries as Greater Manchester. Eopsid (talk) 12:09, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Lead: population figures[edit]

There is a problem with the quoted population figures for the largest towns. Only Bolton ties in with the population in the Bolton article, and that figure is from 2011. There's a vast difference between the figure for Sale and Sale. No year is specified for any of the figures and as they are all unsourced, I'm removing them as potentially misleading. Rupples (talk) 12:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]