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Khorasan[edit]

Khorasan was according to most ancient maps, a re-named Sassanian province which replaced another previous (Parthian) province called Parthia, it is obvious that parts of this Provence lay within modern day Afghanistan, but not beyond Herat. however, it is crystal clear that the modern day state of Pakistan (including the tribal areas) had nothing to do with Khorasan as a greater khorasan and clearly the only reason the people editing this page so, are only doing so, because of the hadith of khorasan please to all the stupid people out there you need to stop because this is history and by continuing to edit this you are only making another generation of stupid people, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:2299:2200:A09B:B2FF:C7E3:834E (talk) 23:10, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is wrong, Khorossan basically meant "Eastern land" to the Persians so anything east of them was refereed to as Khorosan so this would include the Pashtun tribal areas as well. Nobody mentioned the Hadith of Khorosan here and this has nothing to do with it. I'm trying to find a reliable more ancient map that show's the true boundaries of Khrosoan and in the mean time, i advise you to do research as well instead of calling people stupid.Akmal94 (talk) 01:39, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

move page to khorasan[edit]

the true name of this region is Khorasan not Greater Khorasan . after fragmentation of Khorasan by Russia and Britain , and creation of Iran's Khorasan province and Khorasan country (Nowadays Afghanistan) people who try to Unify Khorasan use this term (Greater Khorasan) to differ it from new regions witch named khorasan. Farvartish (talk) 11:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Iran and Khorasan[edit]

"Khorasan is historical region lying in the northeast of Persian (IRAN) --This is beyond grotesque. Only about 30% of Khorasan, if not less, included Iran, yet to link it entirely to Iran is very funny. I guess the author of the text was an Iranian. Funny.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heley (talk • contribs) 21:24, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

gudmapl![edit]

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Hello dears[edit]

I do not know when it comes to Persia you only talk about Iran,, so what about Afghanistan, Tajikistan , Uzbekestan,,etc,, at that time there was no Iran,,, so how can you say Persia is Iran ?? or Wikipedia is being wirtten by Iranians ? Khorasan was the pervious name of Afghanistan,, Great Khorasan was the whole area of Afghanistan,, I dont know why you are hiding the truth ? I hope you improve your informations on subjects you write,

sincerely yours,

Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8108:13C0:4D0:8482:F79A:4804:2DD1 (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sind/Hind/Hindu/Sindu[edit]

These terms are not necessarily referencing religion. Sind/Hind/Hindu/Sindu from the point of view of western outsiders can reference the River Indus and its drainage basin. Suggesting a review here: 

When the Arabs first arrived to the southern Hindu Kush to defeat the Zunbils, they recognized it as al-Hind (Sind), owing to the prevalence of Buddhists and Hindus (non-Zoroastrians) due to its cultural connection with Greater India.

Biased[edit]

Very biased article. It is claiming that only persian speaking afghanis were khorasani and not the Pashtuns who are the actual natives of Afghanistan. I don't like the part where it says the Ghilzai Pashtuns invaded Khoroasan when they have always been an integral part of it. Very weak sources here, this is why wikipeda on afghan articles are filled with persocentric fumes. Akmal94 (talk) 18:03, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Khorasan is obviously a name for a geographic region, and not an ethnic-based identity. If you believe, any of the statements in the article is misleading, in a sense that it excludes a group of people who lived in this region, please edit that part and add reliable sources. If you cannot add a reliable source as a reference, then it is difficult to get your point passed through in wikipedia.--Cabolitæ (talk) 15:33, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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all about khorasan[edit]

those having miss understanding about khorasan they have to go through this book of mir ghulam mohamad ghubar "afghanistan dar maser tarikh " english edition everthing is clearly mentioned there http://www.afghanland.com/history/ghobar.html https://archive.org/details/Afghanistan_in_the_course_of_history_Ghubar

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khurasan[edit]

khurasan for the most part was regarded independent of iran(persia). The sources like book of utbi and many other confirms it. Calling it a permanent province of iran is very misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.20.23 (talk) 21:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources "confirm it" ?---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 22:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.britannica.com/place/Khorasan-historical-region-Asia

read this very important book https://books.google.no/books?id=RcrTswEACAAJ&dq=tarikh+yamini&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQtaXnytHlAhUlyaYKHWGOApsQ6AEIKTAA 

and i can provide a tone more.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.20.23 (talk) 22:20, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply] 

read the book.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.20.23 (talk) 22:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You didnt answer my edits, and remember "greater iran" here is not a country but a cultural continent, so it is very misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:2D50:BC43:5B25:79B (talk) 18:33, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merv & Nishapur[edit]

The article needs more details on the transition between Greater Khorasan (fully Iranian era) to the Post-Islamic division between Merv (initially Arab-Persian) then gradually Turkic and Nishapur in Southern Khorasan which remained Iranian through history.

The Arab presence (Garrison) was restricted to the region around Merv, southern Khorasan in modern Iran had no Arab presence. BeghiMerv (talk) 14:45, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan in Khorasan[edit]

The user HistoryofIran I have founded a list of sources that say that some parts of Pakistan are a part of Khorasan. List of sources: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], and so many more. By the way, I don't know why I even need citations for this fact. On the article, it says that Khorasan which formed the northeast province of Greater Iran and this is a fact that some areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan were part of the northeast province of Greater Iran. I have even shared an image of the map of Greater Iran.

Flag of Greater Iran and the northeast side includes Afghanistan and Pakistan

Meshanigo 14:38, 8 September 2021 Noting for the record that Meshanigo is a block-evading sockpuppet. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 23:08, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gonna repeat myself for the third time now; News sites (which does not even talk about the historical Khorasan region, but a terrorist group) are not reliable for this kind of stuff. We use reliable academic sources, which you're gonna need several of, since the vast majority of sources do not deem parts of Pakistan as part of the historical region of Khorasan (again see WP:UNDUE). The part regarding Greater Iran is not even sourced. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not convinced that Pakistan is commonly included in Khorasan. Medieval Islamic Civilization (p 438) says "The province’s borders have blurred and changed with time. One can, however, roughly delineate them during the classical and medieval eras from the southeast of the Caspian Sea to the center of modern Afghanistan and from the upper Oxus River in Central Asia up to the north of Sistan." An eastern limit of "center of modern Afghanistan" would exclude Pakistan. Greater Khorasan mentions four modern countries for this territory (Afghanistan, Iran, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan) on page 1 but not Pakistan.VR talk 19:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greater Kh. vs. Iranian province[edit]

The map of Greater Khorasan and the list of cities in it historically shows that the modern Iranian province was much smaller than half. The current text says "the former Khorasan Province of Iran (1906–2004), which roughly encompassed the western half of the historical Greater Khorasan." I will change it to "the western portion". Zaslav (talk) 03:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Greater Khurasan"[edit]

This article is about Khurasan(Not greater Khurasan) and is in fact biased, I suspect some Iranian created it and named it as such to remove the historical significance of Central Asian Iranian history and focus the history of Iranians towards what is Iran today, same thing you can find with Iranian Central Asian Empires being called as Persian instead of Persian speaking while they themselves would be considered Tajiks based on the modern definition of Persians speaking people of Central Asia

This Article needs a name change from "Greater" to just Khurasan, Greater Khurasan is much wider and all the eastern lands of ancient Iranshar was called Greater and their lands started from somewhere the regions of what is Khurasan in Iran today, greater Khurasan would include all the Stan countries(Some parts of Kazakhstan) and even some parts of the Indian subcontinent and and also Xinjiang in China

soruce? Wikipedia itself. BahramBami (talk) 14:02, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The users Ramsense and HistoryOfIran who act as Ministry of Truth to this page.[edit]

The users Ramsesnse just deleted a talk page that the user Copenhagenscholar created, in it provided Evidence, source and everything and also by checking the edit log of this page "Greator" khorassan, you can realize that most of the users that correct the mistakes of this page dont have accounts (Meaning they are one time editors and users who correct this site) but the users Ramsense and HistoryOfIran keep distorting the site and returning it back to its original Distorted state, keeping this Page ambigious and confusing as to Depreciate its value and the historical significance of Khorassan, i also pointed out earlier how many of these "Iranian editors from iran" are fueled by Racism the User Ramsense proved this to me by deleteing the talk page with the reply and i quote "go away loud nose man"

i ask the admins of wikipedia to please ban Iranians of Iran from editing this page. BloodofTuran (talk) 14:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why did I get thrown under the bus lol, what you are describing is incredibly vague and is backed by zero diffs (because you have none), aka WP:ASPERSIONS. Neither Remsense nor me have even interacted with you, unless you have another account, which you seem to imply - your account being CopenhagenScholar. And since you are randomly fixated on me despite apparently never interacting with me, one could assume that you have zero connections with Copenhagen, and only chose that name because my connections to the city, which would imply you have an even older, probably indeffed account that I have interacted with. And pretty ironic you accuse us of racism and then request all Iranians to get banned from this page (but by all means, go ahead and try at WP:ANI) and randomly assume Remsense is Iranian just because you disagree with them. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have a Chinese character in my name, and my user page shows where I'm from. It's quite something. Remsense诉 14:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the user that is the most active in distorting this page and "Correcting" it , when its not wrong is you, and its hilarious how you are implying i am two users or three at once and how great lengths you go to to Imply everything against me and accuse me and deflect criticism against you and your ministry of truth related to Iran, the map of this page is wrong, the name of this page is wrong and the history of this page is wrong, but you expect us to make or give you a link on the Web (Just like your vague and distorted links relating to histories of iranians) when we don't have that, Afghans are heavily underprivileged in the modern world, internet access in place like Afghanistan would be considered a luxury, i pointed this our on that talk page that i made replying to the user ramsense who deleted it and promptly resorted to calling me a racist slur, the User Ramnsense is also haliours and funny, he is implying he is chinese because he has a "Chinese character next to my name" as if it means something, for all i know that user could be you , considering how both you are active at this very time of day. BloodofTuran (talk) 14:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be totally clear, I said that as a flippant reference to the insane racist thing you posted about Iranian people getting nosejobs, but I genuinely apologize that it came off that way, if that means anything Remsense诉 14:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Make a case in terms of Wikipedia's content policies, including how we determine article titles. We're not going to change the rules because yet another person is wasting the time of others trying to use historical tragedies as a bludgeon to get their way. If you actually care about any of this, you'd pay attention to how Wikipedia works. Remsense诉 14:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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