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Ultimately, 84 people were killed in the accident which included an unborn child.[edit]

An accident can have an unborn child?

How about "Ultimately, 84 people, including an unborn child, were killed in the accident."? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.158.254.128 (talk) 19:58, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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removed unsourced content[edit]

Hi there - I've removed a section of unsourced content. Diff Indeed, it's been tagged since June 2019 as requiring verification. The info speaks of a "cover-up" and offers an alternative "real reason" and refers to uncited "research for a book". It's not up to wikipedia standards, and I've removed it accordingly. I have also removed some of this info that was placed into the lead today...the editor adding it to the lead noted on my talk page that he/she was merely taking the existing info and summarising in the lead. --Merbabu (talk) 04:57, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cause[edit]

The one-sentence second para of the intro is: "The official enquiry found the primary cause of the crash to be poor fastening of the track, which caused the track to spread derailing the locomotive."
However, in the info box the cause is "maintenance of [locomotive no.] 4620."
The info box is incorrect. As stated in the intro, poor track maintenance was the problem, not the locomotive.
The cause in the info box needs to be corrected. I suggest "maintenance of the permanent way".
Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 07:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ah - good pick up. Yes, info box should be fixed.

A version of this article from a few months ago had the "official enquiry" findings and then went on to talk of a cover-up(!) about loco maintenance - and had not verifiable sources to back it up. I removed the conspiracy theroy cover-up version from the article. Looks like i missed the info box which still has the conspiracy version, and should be changed??? --Merbabu (talk) 07:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the info box should be changed, Merbabu. Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 10:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've made the change, Merbabu. Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 07:38, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Granville Train Disaster Association[edit]

The sentence, "For 39 years, the people of the disaster had little to say until the Granville Train Disaster Association Inc. was formed." appears to be incorrect, or at least hyperbole, since this 2007 reference from the article [1] mentions a group called the Granville Memorial Trust. That and the next sentence ("This was to represent the emotions of those affected (including relatives and friends) via Barry J Gobbe OAM JP and Meredith Knight JP...") was inserted [2] by User:Barry J Gobbe, so it looks like a pretty clear WP:COI and needs revision. However it is true that GTDA is involved in an officially sanctioned annual memorial service [3], so we can probably leave a short mention of it. Adpete (talk) 02:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article has lots of dubious "info". I suggest being bold and fixing up, and removing, as required. I've done a little bit over the last few years towards this. The diff you show also replaced the accepted cause of the accident with an alternative cause which borders on conspiracy theory. I removed that some time ago. Be Bold. --Merbabu (talk) 02:20, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but that takes time. I will return to it when I have more time, if no one else does it first. Adpete (talk) 04:20, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]