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Merge with aerials[edit]

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There is a lot of overlap with the aerials article and I think we should merge them, throwing out the garbage along the way. Thoughts? Shreditor 02:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What would the article be called? Just Aerials (skateboarding)? --Liface 15:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think so. All grabs are done as part of an aerial anyway, so I see no reason to have two articles. Shreditor 00:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good to me. Feel free to move anytime. --Liface 16:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, merge um! --mdwerne 13:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, I forgot about this... Gimme awhile to figure out how to do it first, or if someone reads this that already knows how, do it yourself. Shreditor 23:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No way! a grab is just grabbing/posing (inoffencively, i.e. tweaking) in the air. An aerial is like rotations of the skateboarder and the skateboard, as a whole, along the different axis' and stuff. - they can be combined but they are not the same thing...you can do aerials without performing a grab trick (ever heard of the ollie and all the variations - you might as well chuck in flip tricks as well...theyr'e done in the air, so would you all call them aerials as well. I do, but to some degree)

I have no idea why there are "grab tricks" in the aerials article but if anything is done, then I suggest that they are moved to this page.

--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 10:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I just don't think that grabbing your board alone is a trick. Grabs, just like flip tricks, are all aerial tricks. So I guess what you're saying is you could put the flips in the same article... Logical argument, but what I'm getting at is having just two articles: One for primarily street-based aerial tricks (i.e. flip tricks), and one for primarily transition-based aerial tricks (i.e. aerials). Or, we could merge them all in to the aerials article and split it in to two sections, one for flip tricks and one for grab tricks, but then the article would be enormous... Just making suggestions. It just seems redundant to me to have two articles for what are essentially the same tricks done on different terrain. Shreditor (talk) 02:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flip & Grab tricks can both be performed in both vert and street. they can even be combined.

--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 02:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I realize that, but again, I see no need to have essentially the same tricks mentioned in two different articles. For example, "Indy air" and "Indy grab" are both there, but they're so similar. The only difference is that an Indy Air is done on a transition while an Indy grab is done on flat terrain or out of a jump. Why have two entries in different articles for the same thing? Shreditor (talk) 02:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I suggested above: I have no idea why there are "grab tricks" in the aerials article but if anything is done, then I suggest that they are moved to this page.

--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 02:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but in my opinion, the grab tricks should be in the aerials article because they were all invented as part of an aerial. All those grabs were done on a pool or halfpipe before anyone decided to take them to the streets. Besides, if you don't explain the grabs in terms of aerials done on a halfpipe, how do you explain the difference between a Frontside Air and an Indy, for example? Shreditor (talk) 02:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, this is just simply an on-the-spot-idea: we make the aerials page the main page with links to the grabs and flips - so that they are sort of sub pages. But I still think that all the grab tricks should be moved from the aerials article instead of deleted as info may be lost. and to the difference between a frontside air and an indy: an indy is when the skateboarder grabs the board (toe-side) and a Frontside air (aka "Frontside 180") is a rotational direction.

--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 03:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

You don't have to rotate when grabbing indy.

--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 03:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

check out Skateboarding styles where I did the same thing.

--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 03:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

SORRY, I forgot to mention that an indy is not a frontside air but a Frontside grab (you grab the board frontside). An indy can be combined with the frontside air though - also, frontside airs are usually done while grabbing indy.

--Panyé El Skat-e-board-ér (talk · contribs) 04:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, I think you need to read the aerials article and learn a couple things about vertical skateboarding. Frontside airs are a specific grab. They're not just a generic 180 degree turn. Shreditor (talk) 06:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

yes but what I'm trying to say is that you don't have to grab the board and that if you do you don't have to grab indy - you can do any grab trick you want. And I am also aware of what a Frontside air is and they just depend on where you're headed...like say if you're going straight up the ramp/pipe/obstacle then you would do the "generic" 180 (i.e. a full 180), where as if you were going up at an angle then it would be more like the frontside air you're referring to (in which it is not uncommon for a skateboarder to grab indy).

PS. I skate ramps and pipes too --Panyé El Skat-e-board-ér (talk · contribs) 07:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, that makes no sense, but whatever. Do what you wish. I don't have much time to spend on the skateboarding articles anyway. Shreditor (talk) 03:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]