Talk:Governorship of Ronald Reagan

13 December 2013 deletions

Shortened footnotes (WP:CITESHORT) are used in the Ronald Reagan article. When this subarticle was created from the Ronald Reagan article on 5 April 2010, the citations were copied over, but not the references, which apparently confused loupgarous Vfrickey (talk | contribs). I reverted their deletions, reformatted the citations for consistency, and created separate "Citations" and "References" sections to implement shortened footnotes. Newross (talk) 19:46, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm glad the sources were finally identified properly.

However, you improperly restored the allegation that Reagan used an astrologer's advice to determine the exact time of his swearing-in.:

"Professor Marcello Truzzi, a sociologist at Eastern Michigan University who studied the Reagans' interest in astrology, regarded this explanation as "preposterous", as the decision to be sworn in at that odd time of day was made six weeks earlier, and was based on advice from Reagan's long-time friend, the astrologer Carroll Righter."

The former Reference 3 whose footnote citation follows that statement:

"Not a Slave to the Zodiac, Reagan Says." By Steven V. Roberts, Special to the New York Times and published on May 18, 1988

does not even refer to it. It makes no reference at all to Professor Marcello Truzzi, or any consultation between President Reagan and Carroll Righter prior to Mr. Reagan's presidency. Of course, that's a severe infraction of the WP:PROVEIT guideline.

I'm deleting that passage because it's not supported by the cited reference and fails under WP:PROVEIT. Perhaps you didn't bother to read the reference cited to support it - I did.

Finally, you've still not supplied a citation for what appears to be original research in Governorship_of_Ronald_Reagan#Second_term_.281971.E2.80.931975.29:

"Reagan wrote that the tax increase, in combination with the spending cuts, had created revenue surpluses, so he gave four tax rebates to the people, which he claimed to have amounted to over $5 billion."

Another editor attached this flag to that passage in March 2011. Perhaps the supporting citation exists in

Cannon, Lou (2001). Ronald Reagan: The Presidential Portfolio: A History Illustrated from the Collection of the Ronald Reagan Library and Museum. New York: PublicAffairs. ISBN 1-891620-84-3.

as well as for

"During his Governorship, Reagan was sent to many nations by Nixon as a special envoy."

just after the last passage I mentioned. loupgarous (talk) 19:00, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I restored the reliably sourced and properly cited sentences added by:

• 00:19, 7 June 2009 JackofOz (talk | contribs) (→‎Governor of California, 1967–1975: swearing in time (9 minutes past midnight) was chosen on astrological advice)

  In 1988, Reagan explained that this time was chosen because his predecessor, Governor Brown, "had been filling up the ranks of appointments and judges" in the days before his term ended. Professor Marcello Truzzi, a sociologist at Eastern Michigan University who studied the Reagans' interest in astrology, regarded this explanation as "preposterous", as the decision to be sworn in at that odd time of day was made six weeks earlier, and was based on advice from Reagan's long-time friend, the astrologer Carroll Righter.

that cited:

• Roberts, Steven V. (May 18, 1988) "Not a slave to the zodiac, Reagan says". The New York Times, p. A22.
  

which apparently confused loupgarous Vfrickey (talk | contribs) because you had to click "Next Page" to see Page 2 of 2 of the article, with its final three paragraphs:

Professor Marcello Truzzi, a sociologist at Eastern Michigan University who has studied the Reagans' interest in astrology, said the President was apparently playing down his own fascination with the subject. Mr. Truzzi pointed out that in his autobiography, "Where's the Rest of Me," Mr. Reagan describes the astrologer Carroll Righter as a good friend and relates how he negotiated a contract with Mr. Righter's advice in mind.

The President today took issue with a familiar story: that his inauguration as Governor of California in 1967 was timed to take advantage of favorable heavenly portents. Mr. Reagan said he was sworn into office shortly after midnight because his predecessor, Edmund G. Brown, "had been filling up the ranks of appointments and judges" in the days before his term ended.

Mr. Truzzi called this explanation "preposterous" and noted that the Governor-elect had announced his intention to be sworn in at an odd hour six weeks ahead of time. In fact, he added, Mr. Righter, who died recently, took credit for advising Mr. Reagan about the most advantageous time to be inaugurated.

I tried to address this difficulty by changing the url of the article from:

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/18/us/not-a-slave-to-the-zodiac-reagan-says.html

to the Single-Page version:

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/18/us/not-a-slave-to-the-zodiac-reagan-says.html?pagewanted=all

Newross (talk) 22:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I went with the citation as originally furnished in the article. However, Newross is certainly correct that I didn't see the "next page" link at the bottom of the page and thus missed the references to Truzzi.

I do wonder if Truzzi's mention of Righter's claim (not directly quoted in the "Not a Slave to the Zodiac... ") that Reagan picked that time and date of his first inauguration as Governor as a consequence of astrological consultation isn't lending improper weight to a side issue in Mr. Reagan's governorship. The evidence for inclusion of this allegation depends entirely on Mr. Truzzi's credibility, and a reading of the Wikipedia article Marcello Truzzi shows that he received a "vote of no confidence" by the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal and left the organization (after having been a co-founder).

However, the "due weight" guideline specifically states that when uncertainty exists on whether a source of information is authoritative, we're to give benefit of the doubt toward including more information relevant to a given topic, assuming the source has any authority at all. I withdraw my objection to inclusion of the Truzzi claim, having stated my reservations about it. loupgarous 03:52, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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First Term

Currently this section has a reference to & quote about the SLA, a terrorist organization that kidnapped Patty Hearst. The cited article is dated 1974. The time range of the first term was 1967-1971. I believe it is in the wrong section (it should be second term), but am hesitant to move it unless someone else agrees with me. Any comments? Hifrommike65 (talk) 00:40, 12 November 2019 (UTC)