Talk:Gormenghast (opera)

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A fact from Gormenghast (opera) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 July 2013 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the "fantasy opera" Gormenghast by Irmin Schmidt was performed at the UNESCO World Heritage Site Völklingen Ironworks?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2013/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gormenghast (opera).

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In the context: please look at Gormenghast (opera) (and history), for "genre" in the infobox, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I would leave out "Description" as a field completely. It's "field bloat", unclear ("description" by whom?), and in this case not understandable without reading about the term in the context in the article's text. You added that field to the template with the notation "possibility of a description, when no genre fits". If no clear genre or sub-genre fits, then it doesn't belong in the box. It should only contain, clear and unambiguous information that does not require textual context. Voceditenore (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, - on the other hand: how the composer termed it seems relevant and here even a good (!) description, - do you see a chance to include it, other than the one changed? We could mention that it is the description by the composer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Voceditenore's solution sounds good: definitely leave it out of the infobox (because that's for real genre classification, not self-indulgent description), but perhaps there is no harm in mentioning it in-text. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:18, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, not everything that's relevant in the article, where it can be properly contextualised, is relevant or appropriate for an infobox which is a series of value-attribute pairs. For that matter, Puccini described his La rondine as "this pig of an opera". Anyhow, it is mentioned in the article that "fantasy opera" is Schmidt's description, but note that it's used in relation to the title of the recording of Gormenghast. Voceditenore (talk) 05:50, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, fine with me. - What do we do about {{Benjamin Britten}}, "Church parables"? "A Parable for Church Performance", not an opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gormenghast

Thanks for your improvements. Schillertheater NRW (an organsation, not a theatre) was a merge of Wuppertal ad Gelsenkirchen that lasted only 1999 to 2000 [1]. Our closest article is Musiktheater im Revier. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've restored that, as it seems to make sense. But the theatre wasn't mentioned by name at all in the reference you gave, and in mine it was referred to to as Schiller Theater. Incidentally, I'm going to copy this discussion to Talk:Gormenghast (opera). These kinds of things ought to be worked out on article's talk page to preserve an easily accessible record for future editors. Voceditenore (talk) 10:02, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All comments above are copied from this discussion. Voceditenore (talk) 10:10, 17 July 2013 (UTC) It is not correct: The "Schillertheater NRW" was a union of the municipal theatres of Gelsenkirchen ("Musiktheater im Revier") and Wuppertal ("Wuppertaler Bühnen"). This theatre fusion began in 1996 and ended in 2001. The artistic directors have been Ludwig Baum (musical theatre) and Holk Freytag (speaking theatre). The "Tanztheater Pina Bausch" became independent.[reply]