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Google Tensor should be a seperate article[edit]

Like Qualcomm's and Apple's chips, there should be a article specifically about Google Tensor. Right now, the article "Google Tensor" redirects to the Pixel 6 article, which can be confusing and unnecessary. The Google Pixel 7 is coming out on October 6, and it will have the second generation Google Tensor chip, called Tensor G2. Where will the article Google Tensor redirect when Pixel 7 releases? Apple and Qualcomm chips have seperate articles for each generation. GeorgeAlep123 (talk) 14:54, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a draft at Draft:Google Tensor, which will be moved to the mainspace on Thursday. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:11, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that's very good. Thank you. GeorgeAlep123 (talk) 15:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Parking lot[edit]

Parking lot for potential references:

Tensor G3 "zuma" (Pixel 8, 2023): Triggs, Robert (June 5, 2023). "Google Tensor G3: What to expect from the Pixel 8 processor". Android Authority. Retrieved 6 July 2023.
Tensor G4 "redondo" (Pixel 9, 2024): Brown, C. Scott (May 16, 2023). "Exclusive: Here's Google's entire 2023-2025 roadmap for Pixel phones". Android Authority. Retrieved 6 July 2023.
Tensor G5 "laguna" (Pixel 10?, 2025, 3nm): Weatherbed, Jess (July 6, 2023). "Google's first truly custom chip for Pixel devices won't arrive until 2025". The Verge. Retrieved 6 July 2023.

"redondo" was intended to move away from "semi-custom" (Exynos-based) to "custom" design, but instead will be used as a trial for "laguna", according to the July 2023 Verge article. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 22:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Verge article is in, but there was consensus that "scoops" from Android Authority aren't trustworthy. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:08, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

G3 specs[edit]

@Vince789: You cited this source for the CPU clock speeds, and this source for Mali. These are both literal source codes, unintelligible to the average reader and impossible to verify the information it supposedly supports. Ctrl+F searches for "2.914" in the first source and "G715" in the second source turn up zero results, so I have no idea how and where you got those numbers. As the sources do not clearly or explicitly confirm the specs, this is borderline WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Is there any reason to doubt the XDA article? InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:06, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I initially linked the Android Authority article[1] which has the info from the changelog in plain text as well as screenshots from the DevCheck app from their Pixel 8 Pro, and that Twitter source [2] which has a screenshot of the relevant kernel source code plus plain text explaination.

No offense to XDA, but they are very poor at reporting for SoC hardware since they don't have anyone with hardware engineering backgrounds.

Don't get me wrong, XDA are still a great source for software and other things, but SoC hardware is not a strength. And honestly, they'd probably agree, just look at their reviews for the Pixel 8/8 Pro, barely any mention of SoC specs or benchmarks[3][4]. Its simply not a focus for them. Which is fine, most sites don't report SoC hardware competently.

Not sure what you have against Android Authority, I understand they can be hit or miss with leaks. And yes they are not as technical as AnandTech or Geekerwan, but Robert Triggs (sound engineer) and Gary Sims (software engineer) are probably the most competent in terms of SoC hardware from the "mainstream". Yes, they are not actual hardware engineers like Andrei ex-AnandTech, but they are still competent, which is extremely rare. In the past Andrei even said Robert is one of the only writers he reads when it comes to Android hardware (other than his AnandTech colleagues).

But no worries, I'm happy to explain.

Also just realised I'd linked older kernel versions, I'll link the newest below. No change for CPU, but GPU clockspeed did change slightly.

For CPU, [5]. Search for:

1704000 (1.704 GHz). That's the max clockspeed for the Cortex-A510s. See how it says "LITTLE" below
2367000 (2.367 GHz). That's the max clockspeed for the Cortex-A715s. See how it says "MID" below
2914000 (2.914 GHz). That's the max clockspeed for the Cortex-X3. See how it says "BIG" below
Geekbench reports the same as clockspeeds [6] [7]

For GPU, [8]. Search for:

890000 (890 MHz). That's the max clockspeed for the GPU
Geekbench reports Mali G715 [9]
Mali is mentioned heaps of times, no mention of Immortalis at all. Thus we can rule out Immortalis and 10 cores since the Mali G715 is only 7-9 cores [10]
There's actually no way to verify if its 7 or 8 or 9 cores at the moment. But most hardware competent reviewers seem to believe its 7 cores based on performance [11][12]
We should hopefully see some die shots later, which would allows us to visually confirm the number of GPU cores

Vince789 (talk) 09:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late response (I'm rather behind on my watchlist at the moment). I was not the one who reverted your Android Authority edits, that was this IP. Android Authority isn't the best source, but as long as it's not original reporting (i.e. leaks), I would say it's fine. Geekbench isn't reliable, but I did find this Android Authority article on Mali. Again, not the best source, but I'd say acceptable. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:31, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If nothing is trustworthy, we can put "?" in every section

but as long as everything pointing out the lower frequencies and the "simple" Mali-G715, it should be it! not info taken from leaks... Qhyron90 (talk) 12:00, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest taking up your concerns with the IP who is reverting you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Vince789 post are more reliable than whats on the page, especially for the GPU which is clearly not an Immortalis since its lacks hardware raytracing. Alawadhi3000 (talk) 11:01, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While adding in reviews for Pixel 8, I noticed that this article from Ars Tehcnica (a much more reputable source than XDA) has the same frequency numbers. It looks like we're dealing with a WP:VNT issue here. Though you've got one win: it lists Mali rather than Immortalis, so I'll go ahead and adjust that. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You would be surprised how many times these news outlets can be wrong. I think the CPU clockspeed of 3.0 + 2.45 + 2.15 can also be traced to a tweet about leaked pre-release Tensor G3 specs. Alawadhi3000 (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, like I said: WP:VNT. We now have multiple reliable sources confirming that these are the correct numbers, despite the source code apparently saying otherwise. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hold that thought. Android Police, a more reliable source than Android Authority, has the same numbers as the source code. I'll go ahead and re-readjust. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]