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Most frequent monster co-star appearences

Updated the numbers of appearances (namely, added Minilla to the list), will do the rest later.FreakyFrogThing 05:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Filmography

The "alternate Japanese titles" listing is a complete waste of space. As we all know, the Japanese titles can be translated in many different ways, are there is no true standard. Thusly, even mentioning the translations of the Japanese titles should be left to the pages which describe the actual films. ~ Teh Xilian 00:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

The Start

The intentions of this page is to be a hub for all the film articles and to cut down on the content in the Godzilla article. The original Godzilla article will now focus on Godzilla the character and this article with then pick up the slack in regards of cultural content and the like.

This page still needs heavy editing but this is a start. --DyslexicDan 00:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Making this part of WikiProject Films

I believe this should be part of WikiProject Films instead of the Godzilla page but I’m not sure how to go about this --DyslexicDan 00:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

They are both a part WP:FILMS. Cbrown1023 16:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Other Monsters' Solo Movies

Under the heading "Shōwa Godzilla Series (昭和ゴジラシリーズ) 1954–1975":

"The Showa period saw the addition of many monsters into the Godzilla continuity, many of which (Mothra, Rodan, Ghidorah had their own solo movies. "

I think this sentence implies that Ghidorah starred in a movie as the sole Kaiju, which is not true. If the following sentence is meant to clarify the above statement, I think it's a little murky. I'll just edit the first sentence, since I'm unclear of the 2nd's intent. The Shrike 16:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I gave up and deleted both sentences. As I tried to reword them I realized I was unclear of either sentences intent, as the information seemed slightly irrelevant. The Shrike 17:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Godzilla Final Box

In the 20th issueof gmr on page 28, there is a small artical about a relise of 27 Godzilla movies (Godzilla - Tokyo S.O.S) and that it includes a slot for Final Wars. It says it was released in Japan on April 22, 2005 for 99, 750 yen ($922). Should any of this be mentioned in the artilce?--LRO 20:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)Liraoq 05:57, 22 July 2006

Name Origin

Tried to clean up the origin on the name Gojira, and at least make it mesh with the Godzilla Character page!

2008 Godzilla Film

That's a load of hooey. I'll delete it later because no such project exists. --74.134.250.241 00:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Godzilla 3-d to the MAX? yeah it does idiot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.51.60 (talk) 01:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that section has been deleted, which means the project is now dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.69.158 (talk) 07:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms

There needs to be a mention of The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms. This movie predated godzilla by two years and was a prehistoric dinosaur that wakes up after nuclear testing and goes on to attack a city. 75.199.211.209 (talk) 00:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)tlhowell1970@gmail.com

the best from 20,000 fathoms is the thing that inspired godzilla it should be meanchoned but not like that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.62.88 (talk) 21:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Unmade godzilla movies

should we meanchon unmade movies such as

  • 1972-Godzilla vs. hitodah
  • 1972-Godzilla vs. redmoon
  • 1972(How many movies did they drop in one year)-Godzilla vs. hedorah 2
  • 1978-Godzilla vs. satan
  • 1978-Spacegodzilla
  • 1978-(Again?)-king of the monsters, return of godzilla
  • 1989-Godzilla 2
  • 1992-The return of king ghidirah
  • 1992-Godzilla vs. king kong
  • 1992-Godzilla vs. mechini-kong

if you want proof or more info check tohokingdom.com 71.208.62.88 (talk) 21:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Learn how to spell, dumbs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cabbage-Sama (talk • contribs) 18:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Forgot about 1988 Godzilla sequels — 73.47.37.131 18:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Godzilla film chart

Godzilla film chart

Is this chart (user space inclusion) accurate? Did I miss anything? Hopefully it is useful to you. I am interested in it since it is a very complex film series. - LA @ 02:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Godzilla (1954)
Godzilla Raids Again (1955)
Mothra (1961) King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)
Rodan (1956) Mothra vs. Godzilla (1964) King Kong Escapes (1967)
Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster (1964)
Invasion of Astro-Monster (1965)
Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster (1966)
Varan the Unbelievable (1958) Son of Godzilla (1967) Atragon (1963)
Destroy All Monsters (1968) Latitude Zero (1969)
All Monsters Attack (1969)
Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)
Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)
Godzilla vs. Megalon (1973)
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)
Terror of Mechagodzilla (1975)
The Return of Godzilla (1984)
Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)
Frankenstein Conquers the World(1965) Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah (1991)
War of the Gargantuas (1966) Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II (1993)
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla (1994)
Rebirth of Mothra (1996) Godzilla vs. Destoroyah (1996)
Rebirth of Mothra II (1997) Godzilla 2000: Millennium (1999)
Rebirth of Mothra III (1998) Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)
Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (2001)
Gorath (1962) Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002) Space Amoeba (1970)
The War in Space (1977) Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. (2003)
Godzilla: Final Wars (2004)

The above is an attempt to illustrate the interconnectedness of these series. All of these series are listed on the various film series lists, but I am not sure if they are really split like this. The same films are being listed over and over again which tells me that some of these may be fan based splits.

Note: From the article on Godzilla, it seems to that the 1998 film and Godzilla 3D to the MAX are not part of any of these series. Is this correct?

I'm rather mystified at the purpose of the columns. I'd say that it's too confusing in its current state. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 08:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Why don't have this in a separate article...? (Though it does look good)? — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 19:59, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Big Five

Since so many of the various Godzilla character articles are so small, I propose that we keep the character articles for the big five: Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, King Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla, and that we merge all the remaining articles into List of Godzilla Series Monsters.

Thoughts?

K00bine (talk) 00:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts, yeah I have thoughts, first A B S O L U T E L Y N O T! Second, the characters deserve their own pages! Third, Angirus is a bigger Monster Superstar than Mechagodzilla!

Technically no, only the popular pages should be down there while the other are put into the Godzilla Series Monsters — 73.47.37.131 18:10, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Godzilla 3-D to the MAX

Okay listen people! Unless you can show me and the whole world proof that 3-D is gone, you guys are going to haft to wait until fall, because the movie was scheduled and probably still is scheduled to Summer 2009! Now please, either put the section back or show me that IMAX is done for. 75.166.9.77 (talk) 23:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

So, is it canceled?

With Godzilla-3-D-Imax pretty much done in dirt (so far i can tell), and Godzilla Final Wars being titled...Godzilla...Final Wars, and that movie being the 50th Anniversary is Godzilla canceled? Or are Godzilla 3-D and the 2014 movies real? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.14.116 (talk) 19:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

They're all a lie. Although there have been rumors of a Godzilla Broadway musical coming in Fall 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.87.211 (talk) 04:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.97.219.33 (talk) 17:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

What happened to biollante and megalon's pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.86.130 (talk) 23:00, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

film titles

so it seems this article does a really good job at breaking out the eras in Godzilla films however, for some reason this article doesnt list what films belong in each era. If someone has this information, could you please add it? 192.155.57.15 (talk) 15:26, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Godzilla - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 14:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Comic-Con 2012

Not sure what can be added with this but here: http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3154136/omfg-see-the-new-godzilla-now-we-also-have-video-of-the-comic-con-panel/ There is a lot of talk about them showing stuff at Comic-Con this year. -71.70.142.240 (talk) 14:20, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

A poster and someone thinks they saw a giant centipede. Seems pretty trivial and not worth mentioning here. Please only add reliably sourced facts. Barsoomian (talk) 03:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Someone already added it, with a source. -71.70.142.240 (talk) 17:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Separate article for Godzilla 2014

We have plenty of information, including director, writers, teaser poster, two confirmed monsters, release date and 3D. I know it would be small, but I feel like this probably would benefit from a separate article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.253.197 (talk) 14:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

When there is confirmation they've started shooting the film. See WP:NFF: "Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles." Since they don't even seem to have any actual actors yet, that doesn't seem to have happened. Barsoomian (talk) 19:06, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I concur with Barsoomian. This project was announced in 2009. We had a discussion last year about a stand-alone article, and the consensus was against one because filming had not started. The release date was purported at the time to be 2012. Filming still has not begun, and we cannot assume it will anytime soon. It is kind of like Jurassic Park IV in that regard; promises but never reality. If filming gets underway, a stand-alone article can be had. Erik (talk | contribs) 21:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

It may be yet be too soon, but considering they've already showed film, it's not far off. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 04:03, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I looked up what you were referring to, and it looks like a teaser trailer before filming has even begun. It's an improvement from the concept art that they showed a while ago, but it's still not a lock. Projects like this are too easily scrapped before the camera starts rolling. Erik (talk | contribs) 13:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

As for the title, I think it's pretty unlikely it will be just "Godzilla". It'll be something like the last Spider-Man remake, add some adjective to differentiate it. So I have reverted the changes of heading to "Godzilla (2014)" pending confirmation that that is the real title, and 2014 is the real release year. Neither of these are more than guesses or estimates at this stage. Barsoomian (talk) 16:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

The poster for the film uses only 'Godzilla'. here It is also what it is listed as on IMDB [1]. Also, you could apply the same logic to 'reboot'. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 16:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
A couple of years ago fans (including you, I think) were saying we should have the article "Godzilla (2012)" because that's what IMDB said then. IMDB is full of wishful thinking, we have to be more cautious. And the poster is just a teaser poster, they have to put a title on it but it's not binding. They're still writing the script. The film is at least two years away. Next year it may still be two years away. "Reboot" is not a title, it's a description. Barsoomian (talk) 02:31, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
As I said, "Reboot" is speculative too. It might not be a reboot, following your logic, as it's not been filmed and released yet. It's been publicized by Legendary as "Godzilla", so using their title should not be objectionable. Whether it changes title or release date, is a matter of process and editing. Myself and others are quite happy to keep it up to date. As to my thoughts on a separate article, which you seem to have an issue with, I've agreed to follow wp:film's guidelines, (because basically the history of the production have been allowed to be completely covered in this article, otherwise it would be quite objectionable) but the topic of the film/production has had enough coverage on its own to be considered notable according to wikipedia policy. It's been covered thoroughly in the media. You should keep that in mind. Also, I am certain that even an article on a failed film production can be of value to and within Wikipedia. As to myself, I may be a fan of Godzilla, but it is only a small fraction of my editing on Wikipedia. I've been editing here for six years and have thousands of edits. So, lay off. I am not just a "fan", I do know the rules and I try to keep an encyclopedic POV, but I try to keep an open mind. Project guidelines can lead to silliness. The ultimate might be the never-ending debate on the capitalization of bird article titles at wp:redirect. Guidelines vs. policy. I find this 'separate article' debate to be silly too. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 14:37, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
If it makes you happy, change the subhead back. It's bound to be wrong, but there isn't a policy against being gullible, then you can occupy yourself changing it and all the crossreferences every time they push the date back or when they announce the real title. But if you try to start an article before filming commences, that contradicts WP:NFF. No matter how many T-shirts they sold at Comic-Con. Barsoomian (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I won't create a new article. Even though NFF is a guideline and WP:GNG is policy, it's not worth the debate for consensus. We went through that before. I do understand why NFF is in place. And that's reasonable. I'm not going to upset the apple cart. In the long-term scheme of things, waiting for filming to start is not too long to wait. As I said, this article is fine for the time being. There are redirects in place that all go to this one place, (Godzilla (franchise)#American reboot) so we're good. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 18:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
"GNG" = "General Notability Guideline". It's not a "policy". Anyway, on the Wikipedia:Notability page it directs you to WP:NF for films, and that includes the Future films section. It's not like I invented any of this, but it's very unambiguous. Barsoomian (talk) 18:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry. I was thinking of the birds debate in my wording. GNG always applies and does not need NF, whereas NF is weaker. I believe NF was written to allow film articles, but it gets used also to exclude, which is unlike other notability guidelines. The section "Future films, incomplete films, and undistributed films" really should be some sort of project guideline, not a notability guideline. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 22:53, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
"whereas NF is weaker" [citation needed] NF is just the film-specific part of GNG, it's no less significant for actually mentioning "films". Barsoomian (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Under general principles of WP:NF - "The general notability guideline states, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." The link to the main article explains each criterion. For topics related to film, some may not readily meet all the criteria."

So if you can pass NF, then you can have an article and not have to demonstrate GNG. I guess you didn't know this? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 14:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Under Other evidence of notability of WP:NF - "A topic related to film may not meet the criteria of the general notability guideline, but significant coverage is not always possible to find on the Internet, especially for older films."

I guess you did not know this either? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 14:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I read it all, years ago. I fail to see what this has to do with proving your assertion that "NF is weaker". I see why you'd like that to be true, as the loopholes you are trying to squeeze through were closed quite unambiguously by WP:NFF, no doubt due to others raising similar arguments in times of yore. Barsoomian (talk) 15:59, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
It's no 'loophole' to have GNG. That's just weird. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
GNG isn't a loophole, that's an absurd statement and I never said that. You are trying to create a loophole from selected parts of it, while ignoring the specifics in NF and NFF, which is part of GNG. Basically, you want to rewrite NF. You need to argue it there, not here. Barsoomian (talk) 19:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
WP:NFF and WP:GNG should be read in tandem, one does not trump the other, but WP:NFF was written with future films in mind. The project still may never happen and for this reason, as has been argued in many places, many times before, WP:NFF is a sensible guideline. There's no common sense reason to make an exception, so we should follow WP:NFF here. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

American productions

It seems arbitrary to include Godzilla, the King of Monsters in the list of American productions, considering there were other movies edited for American release. Thoughts? -Joltman (talk) 16:20, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

On the face of it, it seems reasonable to include it, as there were additional scenes shot, etc., but if you think it could be expanded with other films, why not go for it! --Rob Sinden (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
KOTM was made in California. Were the others similar? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 21:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Like GKOTM, the American sequences for King Kong vs Godzilla and Varan (which like GKOTM, featured American actors in newly shot scenes not in the original Japanese versions of those films) were also shot in California. And I believe that was the case for the American version of the first Gamera film as well. (I know its not Toho but still). Giantdevilfish (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, there needs to be something that makes it clear that King of the Monsters etc. were not made in America. The table for American productions is very misleading at the moment.137.222.209.19 (talk) 10:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

These were made in America. Where is that not clear? This does not take away from the fact that they used the original Toho materials. They were not simply 'dubs' or subtitled versions. They used a lot of new material. It's important to show that the Toho and US productions are distinct. There are separate articles on the productions. Alaney2k (talk) 14:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
They're edited Japanese films, not original productions. There should at least be a footnote to highlight which ones are Japanese films with added footage.137.222.209.19 (talk) 16:07, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
I have added that note to the table. Alaney2k (talk) 15:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Furthermore, additional scenes were added for other films such as Godzilla Raids Again (Gigantis the Fire Monster), so it's not even consistent at the moment. It's very misleading to someone who doesn't know the history of the films, so I will remove the American products which are edits aside from King of the Monsters due to its significance for the franchise.137.222.209.19 (talk) 10:56, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I think then, we can add Gigantis, if it is on the level of the other movies. Alaney2k (talk) 18:55, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't think we should add Gigantis to the list of American productions. It's a dubbed, edited version of the original Japanese version, no different from the US version to Mothra vs. Godzilla. It is not an American production because it does not include any exclusive footage shot for the US release, it only features stock footage borrowed from previous American films. The discussion so far has been centered on distinguishing the Toho & US productions within these films. The US version of Godzilla Raids Again did not have an American production like GKOTM, King Kong vs. Godzilla or Varan did so I don't believe Gigantis meets the criteria of having an American production like GKOTM or King Kong vs. Godzilla did. Armegon (talk) 21:39, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining your edit. Please remember to put stuff like that in your edit summaries. I just want to get it right and editing without summaries can look like edit warring. An anon editor has been reverting without explanation also. To the point though, why would you not think that the level of changes that were made is not enough to call it a 'production'? I haven't done a comparison lately but if the plot is changed, is that not enough? It wasn't simply dubbing the film and having to redo the sound, they went much further than that. I mean, really, they didn't want people to think it was Godzilla. Alaney2k (talk) 23:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
You are right, the US version did go through some significant changes but it still doesn't justify it as an "American production". Godzilla 2000 went through similar, not the same, but similar changes for its US release in terms of editing but it has not been considered or even been called an American production by Sony. Other Kaiju films too have gone through similar re-edits that differed significantly from their original Japanese counterparts like Gamera vs. Barugon, Mothra vs. Godzilla, Frankenstein Conquers The World, Yongary '67, and the most heavily edited of them all, Terror of Mechagodzilla. We should reconsider how Gigantis meets the same criteria as GKOTM & King Kong vs. Godzilla that allowed them to be included into the American productions section. Armegon (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Official titles

I was wondering where we could look up "official" titles for the films, so we could cite them. Alaney2k (talk) 15:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

This might be a good one. This is an official publication from Toho and even features the title Gigantis for the English title. http://www.willardswormholes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Front.jpg Armegon (talk) 21:42, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Reboot

While Toho is planning a new Godzilla movie, I've not seen anything that indicates it will be a new origin story, or anything specifically I would associate with a reboot (new main character, new style of monster, etc). Toho has had hiatuses before of Godzilla productions. I think that secondary sources have termed it a reboot, but not Toho itself. Toho said it is new, that's as close as I've seen. I don't read Japanese, so I've only read Google translations. Alaney2k (talk) 14:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

‘G-Fan’ Should Not Redirect Here

I want information about G-Fan magazine. There is nothing in this article about it, yet “G-Fan” redirects here. Separate articles please. Felicity4711 (talk) 22:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Writing Style of Article

I'm new here so I don't feel up to tackling it myself, but this entire article comes off like fanzine. Subjective descriptions like "classic" and "ignited a genre" are all over it. The actual content may be accurate but the presentation is embarrassing. Can somebody with more experience editing or rewriting take a look? It needs more than a quick polish or a few replaced words. Captain Accuracy (talk) 04:05, 29 April 2015 (UTC)Captain Accuracy

Don't be shy to edit. I replaced the 'igniting' with 'starting' for a start. If your edits don't work out, then others will touch them up. After all, someone inserted 'igniting' which you noticed. The articles about a genre or topic are written by people interested in the field, not some disinterested neutral party, so the articles are going to reflect that. Alaney2k (talk) 15:16, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Protection?

Should we protect the Godzilla (franchise) with a

? — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 17:05, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Also, the {{edit semi-protected}} template protects nothing - it is used to request an edit to a page that is already protected. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Well than can you help me with this protection issue if you please (on this subject)? — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 00:14, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Also this page is NOT even semi-protected so how does THAT work? — 2601:183:4000:D5BD:8945:B1F0:B4A5:D0AB (talk) 00:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Please don't alter |answered=yes to |answered=no unless you have a valid edit request and there already is protection on the page Godzilla (franchise). Whether the template is {{edit semi-protected}} or {{edit fully-protected}} is immaterial: there is presently no protection on the page Godzilla (franchise), and using either of those templates is not the way to request protection, which as ElHef noted four days ago, is to visit WP:RFPP and make your request there. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:17, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Really than how come I don't SEE One at all in top right crier eh? IF you say it is protected show me Redrose64 eh? — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 18:57, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
I didn't say it was protected. I said, and I quote, "there is presently no protection on the page Godzilla (franchise)"; this situation has not changed. You can tell that it is not protected because when you go to that page, the tab at the top, fourth from left, is "Edit" - if it was protected, that tab would be "View source". Another way is to click on the "View history" tab; at the top of the history page is a link "View logs for this page"; if you click that, it says "No matching items in log", so the page has never been protected, at any level. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:14, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
All I want is to have it protected to avoid vandalism or changes like Godzilla's all, I could use a hand could you (Redrose64) or someone be willing top help with that — 73.47.37.131 13:43, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I (and ElHef) have already told you how to request protection. The page is WP:RFPP and the instructions for making a request are at the top of that page. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:21, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

A request for protect was made at WP:RFPP and was declined by me. There's simply no justification for it. --NeilN talk to me 17:24, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: Didn't think there would be. My point (above) was that {{edit fully-protected}} was the wrong way of requesting that a page be protected. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:01, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
@NeilN:,@Redrose64: Than will you two help or something since apparently this article will NEVER be Protected?! — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 16:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
There are almost five million articles in the English Wikipedia and about 99.8% of them are unprotected. I don't see why this article needs special attention. --NeilN talk to me 16:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
@NeilN: Fine, than how about we make are the articles un protected and have them all be vandalized instead huh FINE. ––73.47.37.131 (talk) 23:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Protection Request on 6 September 2015

To avoid unnecessary changes or what not and avoid vandalism (FYI: I won't be DOING ANY VANDALIZING). — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 16:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

 Not done Nothing's changed. --NeilN talk to me 01:03, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
I meant just in CASE, okay?!!! — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 22:26, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
We've been over this. Pages are not protected preemptively. --NeilN talk to me 17:11, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
So? — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 00:24, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Okay, your frivolous requests, here and at WP:RFPP, are becoming disruptive. The next time you make one, you may be blocked from editing. --NeilN talk to me 03:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Article for Godzilla 2016???

According to this source, filming has started on Godzilla 2016 and per the guidelines of WP:NF, it warrants for the film to have its own article since there is enough significant coverage from reliable sources. If we do start the article, I elect it should be tentatively titled, Godzilla (2016 film) until Toho reveals the final title of the film. Thoughts? Armegon (talk) 01:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I think so. If the film has begun production and there is ample citations then why not? Its going to get a page eventually.Giantdevilfish (talk) 15:07, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

What about the two preceding TriStar Godzilla films?

Well according to WikiZilla there were two films that scrapped and others too, so why isn't there an article for those? — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 19:04, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Scrapped films

What about all the scrapped Godzilla films being featured on the Template box too? — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 22:25, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

  • Why not provide a link to some source material? And then we can figure out if it is notable? Alaney2k (talk) 22:55, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
    • Well I did mention Wikizilla — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 02:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

External Links?

Why can't we have Wikizilla on the front page or (possibly) Godzilla's Page? — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

First up, are you sure about that link's address? When I click on it I can get some kind of spam thingie. Once that's fixed we're onto Wikipedia guidelines, specifically WP:ELNO which deals with sites we shouldn't create external links to. One link we should not do is:
12. Open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors.
If it can be demonstrated that this Godzilla wiki is a reliable source of information and has been for a long time, then we can create a link to it. Until that occurs we shouldn't link to it. Assuming you meant this Godzill wiki, nothing jumps out about it as being a particularly reliable source. SQGibbon (talk) 01:23, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Pending changes request on 23 January 2016

PLEASE SOMEONE place a Pending changes on this article... — 73.47.37.131 (talk) 22:57, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Protection request on 8 February 2016

To prevent vandalism and messing the documents up (anyMORE)... — 2601:183:4000:D5BD:49:8EB:C5A6:9A3B (talk) 16:58, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Cannolis (talk) 17:09, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

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(In order) To prevent vandalism...? — 2601:183:4000:D5BD:D9F1:3661:72E0:7860 (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

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Where should this go?! — God's Godzilla 18:35, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Box Office Performance

Below is a chart listing the number of tickets sold for each Godzilla film in Japan including the imported Hollywood films. The films are listed from the most attended to the least attended. Almost all of the 1960s film were reissued, so the lifetime number of tickets sold is listed in small print underneath the initial release ticket numbers.

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Film

Year Tickets sold
1

King Kong vs. Godzilla

1962 11.2 million
  • Film has lifetime gross of 12.55 million
2

Godzilla

1954 9.61 million
3

Godzilla Raids Again

1955 8.34 million
4

Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster

1964 4.32 million
  • Film has lifetime gross of 5.41 million
5

Godzilla vs. Mothra

1992 4.2 million
6

Shin Godzilla

2016 4.12 million
7

Godzilla vs. Destoroyah

1995 4 million
8

Godzilla

1998 3.9 million
9

Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II

1993 3.8 million
10

Invasion of Astro-Monster

1965 3.78 million
  • Film has lifetime gross of 5.13 million
11

Mothra vs. Godzilla

1964 3.51 million
  • Film has lifetime gross of 7.2 million
12

Ebirah, Horror of the Deep

1966 3.45 million
  • Film has lifetime gross of 4.21 million
13

Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla

1994 3.4 million
14

The Return of Godzilla

1984 3.2 million
15

Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah

1991 2.7 million
16

Destroy All Monsters

1968 2.58 million
17

Son of Godzilla

1967 2.48 million
  • Film has lifetime gross of 3.09 million
18

Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack

2001 2.4 million
19

Godzilla

2014 2.18 million
20

Godzilla vs. Biollante

1989 2.01 million
21

Godzilla 2000: Millennium

1999 2 million
22

Godzilla vs. Gigan

1972 1.78 million
23

Godzilla vs. Hedorah

1971 1.74 million
24

Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla

2002 1.7 million
25

All Monsters Attack

1969 1.48 million
26

Godzilla vs. Megaguirus

2000 1.35 million
27

Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla

1974 1.33 million
28

Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.

2003 1.1 million
29

Godzilla: Final Wars

2004 1 million
30

Godzilla vs. Megalon

1973 0.98 million
31

Terror of Mechagodzilla

1975 0.97 million
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Why has it been revised when its current permanent link says it's an other version and who changed it back — God's Godzilla 19:58, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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Rotten tomatoes scores

It appears that someone has taken the liberty of simulating Tomatometer scores for films in this series which have not reached 5 reviews. I totally get it, it's helpful and it follows their system. But unfortunately this is OR. Rotten Tomatoes has a reason for not scoring a movie without 5 or more reviews, and by giving it a score beneath the label of "Rotten Tomatoes" we are implying that the source has said something they have not said. Personally, I'd be fine with a parenthetical such as "No Score Available (33% based on available reviews)" as a routine calculation but even that is pushing it without clear indication that it's an original calculation. Scoundr3l (talk) 23:51, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:SYNTH I don't think this kind of synthesis is acceptable at all and I would commend anyone who removes it. I might come back later and remove it myself. The column of averages is strange too and I don't understand how they are supposed to be helpful or informative to readers. The wikisource didn't properly explain how the averages were calculated or why they were there. Please note that IMDB scores were removed from the table because they are WP:UGC user generated content, and not a reliable source WP:RS, so they have been removed from the table so all the average scores could easily be wrong. -- 109.79.70.98 (talk) 13:23, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Erik removed the Average column. -- 109.79.70.98 (talk) 19:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
I have removed the synthesized scores. In cases where Rotten Tomatoes lists 4 reviews or less I have marked "N/A" to show that a score is not available. -- 109.79.70.98 (talk) 20:00, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

So I’d take it that Toho kingdom is a reliable source. BluePower4 (talk) 04:22, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

So Toho Kingdom is a reliable source. BluePower4 (talk) 04:59, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Circa Reiwa period?

Someone changed the term "Post-Millennium Period" to "Reiwa Period (c. 2016-present)". The Reiwa period began yesterday (as of this writing) of this year but stretching it far back to 2016 via circa seems a bit too far? Should we truly keep it as is or revert it back to Post-Millennium since Shin Godzilla and the anime trilogy precede the Reiwa period? Armegon (talk) 06:48, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

The terms are fan-defined and are relatively arbitrary. For example Return of Godzilla (1984) came out 5 years before the Heisei period started, but is included as a Heisei film by fans. The Millennium period is a total creation of fans. The circa was just meant to show that there's fan dispute over when the film period starts. I see the section explaining this was removed, I think it should be reinstated, if we can agree on the naming. If not, I think the older "Current period" is a more neutral alternative to "Post-Millenium".Joseon1 (talk) 09:21, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Currently, the table has a note on the Reiwa period saying Japan's Reiwa era began on May 1, 2019, however, Toho considers Shin Godzilla and the anime trilogy as part of the Reiwa era. I removed the citation because it didn't actually say what the editor claimed: it was not an official statement from Toho on how it demarcates the franchise's eras, merely a fan's overview of the series on a pop-culture website. However, I'm left wondering if there's even any need for a clarification that Godzilla's "Reiwa era" differs from the actual Reiwa era, given virtually the same situation with the "Heisei era". — Kawnhr (talk) 18:48, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikitable Era Name Changes

OPPOSED: I feel it's unnecessary to rename the periods by what the English Godzilla site refers them by i.e. Original Series. It's sloppy because we'd be categorizing all eras of Godzilla films as one single era. The way the Wikitable is formatted now (Showa, Heisei, etc) is more organized because it distinguishes the eras by when they began and ended. Also, I feel it's absolutely unnecessary to remove the anime trilogy from the Wikitable of Toho Productions and giving them their own subsection. The anime trilogy were still Toho productions and should remain on the Wikitable of Toho Productions Armegon (talk) 10:06, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Other Kaiju

This article really should have more information about other kaiju films and television series that take place in the same fictional universe such as Rodan, Mothra, King Kong Escapes, ect. Charles Essie (talk) 04:56, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

This article is about the Godzilla franchise. Information about other monster films in the same universe can be found in their own articles. Armegon (talk) 08:56, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't think that's enough. It's not abundantly clear which films are connected to Godzilla. This page should at the very least included a list of those films so those unfamiliar with the franchise can get all the information. Besides, if they're in the universe doesn't that make them part of the franchise? Charles Essie (talk) 16:21, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Consensus

Should Toho kingdom be counted as a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BluePower4 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

SUPPORT: Toho Kingdom has been been identified as a simple fan site, and it technically is that, but it's also simply more than that. They've held interviews with official parties involved with the actual production(s), acquired official press release and other information directly from studios, and have accumulated information regarding ticket sales, box office numbers, budget estimates for Japanese films. That information is very difficult to find. TK may have started out as a fan site, but over the years, they have grown into a more authoritative entity in the subject of Godzilla, and other tokusatsu/Japanese media. The information they already have would benefit many Godzilla articles. Armegon (talk) 10:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Against. Although I do enjoy browsing this site and find their interviews and detail neat, it fails WP:SELFPUBLISH as its not an established news source, its just a really detailed fan site not unlike www.lovehkfilm.com etc. Despite information for individual films is difficult to find, it doesn't excuse that we use it. Information the Godzilla franchise for example has become much easier to dig up with published books about Ishiro Honda and "Japan's Favorite Mon-Star: The Unauthorized Biography of "The Big G"" by Steve Ryfle and other scholarly sources by Stuart Galbraith IV (The Toho filmography, and other books on Japanese genre films) and David Kalat (]https://www.amazon.com/Critical-History-Filmography-Tohos-Godzilla/dp/1476672946 here]) and . Hell, even Gamera will have some new information from sources with upcoming Gamera box set being released by Arrow Video soon. So while I like the site, I don't think it qualifies as reliable source on wikipedia. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:38, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
SUPPORT: While I tend to stay clear of fansites and fanzines (and opinion and theories in general), that site has culled their stats and information from Japanese periodicals and books, sources such as these Japanese Non-Fiction Books. For instance the translation for the Continuation King Kong vs Godzilla story treatment is translated directly from Godzilla: Toho Special Effects Unpublished Material Archive: Producer Tomoyuki Tanaka and His Era. I do that with Gfan articles as well such as when an interview is conducted with people from the genre (Teruyoshi Nakana, Haruo Nakajima etc). As long as you stay away from the opinion based articles and commentary I think its a fairly good source.Giantdevilfish (talk) 14:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
SUPPORT: Toho Kingdom, even though it started out as a fansite. It does not allow anyone to edit and has interviewed many parties involved in production of movies. It also contains information that I have not been able to find anywhere else.BluePower4 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:34, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
@Andrzejbanas , Yeah but even those authors lack certain information that Toho Kingdom already provided. Ryfle may sometimes provide figures for budgets, ticket sales, and box office returns for select films but leave that information blank for other films. As Giantdevilfish iterated, Toho Kingdom seems to lift the information they post from Japanese books. I see no logical reason why TK would purposely falsify the information they upload. Armegon (talk) 01:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
I understand it has some information missing, but its not exactly verifiable and the rest of the information can be found everywhere. It's missing bits, but I'd still stand by what I say. No statement so far has suggested why this site doesn't fail WP:SELFPUBLISH. Andrzejbanas (talk) 07:50, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Since majority say that Toho Kingdom is reliable, I would say that it is now counted as a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BluePower4 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to look at some more outside input for this, a talk page on the Godzilla franchise article could use some more input. Andrzejbanas (talk) 07:50, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
As I'm finding lack of input, I've taken the site to discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#TohoKingdom. Please include your input there. Andrzejbanas (talk) 07:48, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Another Consensus

Should World Bank be used as a reliable conversion source for exchanging Japanese Yen to US Dollars? If not than what would be another reliable conversion source? BluePower4 (talk) 05:03, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

The link is https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/PA.NUS.FCRF?locations=JP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BluePower4 (talk • contribs) 19:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

OPPOSED: World bank is still an online calculator. Which falls under original research. World bank does not outright say this film or that film earned or is budgeted at this much or that much. The results are the outcome of the user who adds the number(s) there, which technically is original research. You still seem to be adding content that is original research. Please check WP:OR and familiarize yourself with it. For future references, the type of sources that we need to cite are books, magazine/online articles, audio commentaries, linear notes, press releases, or financial sites like Box Office Mojo or The Numbers. These sources must also be reliable and verified. Armegon (talk) 10:32, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Comment I think we could use the worldbank website for the official exchange rate. That's an official agency. But we should stick with yen for Japan-only releases, and not add conversions. Alaney2k (talk) 13:53, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Support for using yen rather than conversions. Armegon (talk) 00:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Comment Well since Godzilla vs Kong will likely push the franchise into the top 25 highest-grossing franchise. If there is no USD total for the Godzilla films the page for highest grossing films will shrink the list or just not show the franchise. that is why I have been doing what I have been doing. I have stopped now, but the page will soon need the totals for the Japanese films in USD not yen. If anyone finds the totals for any japanese godzilla film in USD then add it to the table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BluePower4 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Support: As per WP:CALC, "Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources. Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age are some examples of routine calculations." Converting exchange rates is essentially a form of unit conversion. There are plenty of film articles which convert exchange rates from the local currency to US dollars. Maestro2016 (talk) 18:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Box Office

I have found an article that shows the Japanese Godzilla Box Office. Would this be a good table and should it be implemented.

OPPOSED: Medium is a blog site, which goes against WP:UGC. It states "Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also generally unacceptable." I have a suspicion that BluePower4 created this article himself because...
A: check the article's publication date. It was posted today. Nearly a week after I undid most of BluePower4's edits due to original research.
B: The author, Peter K, only has written that one article.
C: The most damning evidence of all. The author says "looking like it might be the highest-grossing of the Godzilla franchise." It sounds way too similar to an edit BluePower4 made earlier on this very topic, "Well since Godzilla vs Kong will likely push the franchise into the top 25 highest-grossing franchise." The exact edit can be found here.
So nope. Absolutely not. That blog article was clearly made by either BluePower4 or someone else who's been invested with the page's box office section. Armegon (talk) 02:42, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Comment: BluePower4 is a well-known associate of mine, we shared a google sheet and doc working on this article. He was a continuous pain while writing that article as he would come to conclusions not clearly stated by the sources that we were using to write the article. If he edits something to do with this article then immediately check it to make sure he has not misinterpreted what has been said in the source that he has referenced if he does reference a source at all. Also, I was attempting to get the article officially publish on Business Insider, however, BluePower4's actions have made it unlikely that it will ever be approved. Peter4Bread
I guess the comment above proves my point. Regardless, we can't use it anyway since it's a user-generated post (i.e. a blog) and the article itself does not cite any verified sources. Armegon (talk) 17:13, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Even if you knew all the sources I used you still wouldn’t be able to use it since the article is majority original research. Peter4Bread
Comment: I've noticed a correlation between Toho Kingdom and the source for Godzilla vs Biollante. The total box office in yen is the same as the distribution earnings plus the budget on Toho Kingdom. So does that mean that the box office is $12 million.

If you don't want this to be implemented it's fine, I'm unsure myself. I just couldn't help myself in seeing the correlation between Toho Kingdom and Eiga Rankings.EpicUser45

I'd say we use the Eiga site as the source and stick with the yen estimate rather than USD conversions. Armegon (talk) 16:09, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Even though (User:Armegon) wants to use the yen estimate, I found some information IMDB about the box office, is it allowed to be used on the main website for the worldwide total? The link is https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104352/ . And also the question I asked before was about the worldwide total Godzilla vs. Biollante not just the Japanese gross.User:EpicUser45
No. WP:NFSOURCES states that IMDb is a source that doesn't have significant coverage to be used as a reliable source. Armegon (talk) 08:05, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
The box-office related Data from the IMDb is typically sourced to subsidiary website Box Office Mojo. Perhaps you should chedk that out, though the website has had a recent revamp. Dimadick (talk) 20:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Is this the article you're referring to? Maestro2016 (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes. That article. Can't be used. Unreliable. Armegon (talk) 02:52, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
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