Talk:God emperor

Mr. Trump

Now, I realize that attempts to add Donald Trump to this list are being removed. I understand and probably even approve right now, but at what point would this nickname be notable enough to add to this page? Enough references in the media or other publications? The amount of time spent to wait and see if it's something that will stick? Do "memes" count and are they fundamentally different from nicknames that came before? Just wondering and trying to make it a bit more constructive than an edit war.

143.177.80.72 (talk) 19:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

They shouldn't I don't think there would be WP:BLP Issues. --Cameron11598 (Converse) 06:09, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Donald Trump fits the definition of a Thearch as described in the page; he is the God Emperor of Kek and we follow his supreme authority without question. The attribution of this title can be easily verified by multiple non-original research references and serves as a neutral descriptor of Donald Trump. Whether or not he is POTUS has no bearing on his religious status and I must insist he remain listed under non-fiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.20.111.92 (talk) 06:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Include Donald Trump should be included on this list at least as a pop culture reference. If fictional characters qualify to illustrate the reference, so should the President of the United States. WP:N satisfied. 67.221.84.246 (talk) 16:03, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Please see related conversations on this page. Consensus is against this. Thank you. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Inspector General ‖ 18:26, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2016

add donald trump to the non fiction list 198.52.13.15 (talk) 00:13, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:34, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Trump belongs on this page

I have added Donald Trump to this page since he is well known by the nickname "God Emperor". This nickname has been mentioned in many publication and is used by a great number of people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30a:2e29:c940:a10d:9ace:58ff:65d4 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

no u 2A0D:5600:2:1:0:0:0:2DE (talk) 04:44, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

It's time to add Donald Trump to the list

He is frequently given the title by many of his supporters and that has been documented in the press: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-god-emperor-creepy-reddit_us_579a6970e4b08a8e8b5d38b5 He's a "God Emperor" according to the page rules whether you all like it or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30a:2e29:c940:9cef:a99:bb82:5d1 (talk • contribs) 06:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

That reference was already suggested two weeks ago, and (IMHO correctly) rejected by Athomeinkobe as insufficient.

Besides, this page is a disambiguation page, whose primary purpose it is to guide readers who search for a topic to the corresponding article. Beyond members of some web forum trading insider jokes, how likely is it that a general reader reads somewhere about a "god emperor" but does not know that Donald Trump is meant?

In any case, per WP:DABRELATED, a disambiguation page should "include articles only if the term being disambiguated is actually described in the target article." Currently the term "God emperor" is not even mentioned in the article Donald Trump, so I suggest you first get a description added there before adding any link here.

Regards, HaeB (talk) 09:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

There are several news sites that show Trump being called this [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], including the New York Times [11] and more. The only articles listed that have "God emperor" in them are Doctor Doom and God Emperor of Dune. ZN3ukct (talk) 05:55, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Donald Trump should be added Flow 234 (Nina) talk 21:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

There is a fundamental difference which you overlook. The other entries in the list are about actual emperors who were also believed to be actual gods (or at least some earthly relation of gods). But regarding Trump, it's just a nickname. That is why it does not matter how many people refer to the nickname in newspaper articles. Until large groups of people actually start praying in front of his image, he simply does not belong here. It should not be added again until consensus is reached here to do so. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:32, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

As has been now noted further up in the talk comments section, groups of Trump supporters do believe (ironically or not...) he is a god — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.196.236.157 (talk) 19:48, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't know where you are getting those requirements. There is a "Fictional" section too, I doubt the creators of those characters actually thought they were a god. Trump was called "God Emperor" in real life, mostly online it seems, but that doesn't mean it can't be added. Several sources show him being called this and that's all that's needed. And it seems like there is already consensus, some IP editors, me, and another register support this if you look through this page. ZN3ukct (talk) 05:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

The requirements? They would be found at thearch, the definition of the title at the top of the page. At the risk of repeating myself, each of the non-fictional ones were actual emperors of actual empires, and were believed to be gods by at least some of the actual residents that lived there. The fictional ones I don't care about, but I am guessing each were a god/emperor in the story in which they appeared. At the risk of stating the obvious, the creators created them in the role of god emperor, that's the "fiction" part of it.

But the first list is not concerned with fiction. It is about real life and real emperors. Trump is not an emperor, nor is he a god. Therefore, he does not belong in this list. It is a nickname. Jimmy Wales, the founder of this site, has for years been referred to as "god emperor", but he has never been added here because, believe it or not, most people realize that too is just a nickname and not an actual title. I could probably find hundreds of others who have earned the nickname at some point.

As for consensus, a few people casually dropping by to try and add the name with no reasoning is not "consensus". I thank you for engaging in discussion, but your persistence in repeatedly adding Trump's name while the discussion is in progress, contrary to Wikipedia policy, means I am unable to remove it because of the rules about edit warring. So please, I ask you to see reason and remove it yourself. If Trump actually does become a "god emperor" one day, I will gladly add his name here myself. But that's not going to happen any time soon, so please knock it off with this silliness. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 06:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

I think based on the edits that Donald Trump should be added but i am going to let someone else add it Flow 234 (Nina) talk 10:17, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for finding these sources. Again though, this is a disambiguation page, not an article about the topic "god emperor". I suggest you either start a discussion at Talk:Donald Trump about adding an explanation of the meme there, or create a standalone article like Donald Trump god emperor meme - personally I doubt that it would survive as notable (cf. WP:GNG), but you can try. After either has happened, we can link the result from this page.

"The only articles listed that have "God emperor" in them ..." - not sure I understand your concern; all the articles linked under "non-fictional" discuss the alleged divine nature of the corresponding rulers, so a reader coming from this page will know why it was linked here. The same cannot be said about Donald Trump.

Regards, HaeB (talk) 05:00, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Agree though hard to implement. Cornea Scratcher (talk) 22:02, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Agree This clearly fits under "modern popular culture." Et0048 (talk) 04:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

a suggestion concering mr. trump

why dont add a "trivia" or "the term in popular culture" topic where it _shortly_ states that in reference to the fictional god emperor of mankind trump is ironically referred to by many supporters all over the internet.

Why? because there WILL be people reading or hearing "god emperor" without getting that it is about trump and they'll google it and propably not go to or even get meme-themed sites where it is explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.199.206.45 (talk) 17:12, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

The problem is people consider Wikipedia as some actual, reliable source. If it was a decent source, it would mention Trump is mentioned in this article. There's better references than Wikipedia out there. On a side-note, at once point the clouds in the sky became the shape of Donald Trump's head [12][13]; clearly some divine shit happening here. Stoodpointt (talk) 12:30, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Protection

In order to stop the attacks about the adding of Trump we should probably look into having the page locked down.Jtrrs0 (talk) 02:10, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

well, the thing has 300k google hits now, and CNN mentioned it, at some point it is going to pass WP:NOTE. As a pop culture item of course, it is an ironic reference to Warhammer 40k. --dab (𒁳) 09:14, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Herbert

Please link Frank Herbert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.100.60 (talk) 09:20, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Done. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:22, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

First use

The earliest use of the term I could find was in an English translation of Ibsen's play, dated 1904. Here, it is emperor Julian who is speaking of the Jewish concept of the Messiah (and, equivalently, the Christian concept of Christ). It is hard to categorise this, is this "fiction", i.e. a fictional utterance of a historical character? Or is it Ibsen speaking and using the character of Julian to express his own commentary on the "Messiah" concept? What was Julian even supposed to have said in Latin, deus imperator?

In any case, this seems to be the original coining of the term, its use to refer to the Japanese Emperor or the Chinese Sovereigns even later.--dab (𒁳) 09:12, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

"God-emperor" is also part of one of the chapter titles of The Outline of History by H.G. Wells. Gabbe (talk) 12:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

References

According to the WP:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages, because this is a disambiguation and not a "List of god emperors", there should be no references on this page, but instead integrated into the linking articles. 9³ 05:25, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Donald Trump (again)

I know Donald Trump doesn't really belong in the "Historical" section, but I think(per above) that he has enough pop-culture references to count in the "Modern popular culture" section. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 10:03, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

The situation hasn't changed. As discussed above, this is a disambiguation page, not an article about the topic "god emperor". I suggest you either start a discussion at Talk:Donald Trump about adding an explanation of the meme there, or create a standalone article like Donald Trump god emperor meme. After that has happened (but not before), we can link the resulting coverage from this disambigution page. Regards, HaeB (talk) 10:10, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2018

Nothing too serious, but on the Donald Trump part, "tongue-and-cheek" should be changed to "tongue-in-cheek". Ezstick76 (talk) 15:59, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done with thanks, NiciVampireHeart 16:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 11 February 2019

Being that Italy has now created a 40ft high edifice of the God Emperor Trump, and there are plenty of articles about it referring to him as such, is NOW the time to add him as a cultural reference? 🙄

I can't see how the smuggies can still justify keeping him off the list just because he isn't universally liked. Why do we have articles on various Gods and God emperors? They obviously aren't Gods in matter of fact since scientifically speaking Gods do not exist. They are created by worshippers. Donald Trump is worshipped as a literal God by many people and many parts of the world - shrines, prayers, churches and all - and he has been depicted many, many times as a God Emperor, with Italy being just the latest. This list is incomplete without Donald Trump, however you might feel about him. 71.223.192.180 (talk) 15:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Please see multiple discussions further up the talk page. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:04, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Why is Donald Trump not listed

He is widely known as God Emperor even here in Europe and in other parts of the world. What is the reason for not listing him? --88.130.90.216 (talk) 20:54, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Because a reliably-sourced mention of "God Emperor" does not occur at Donald Trump. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:03, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2021

• GEOTUS (God Emperor of the United States) is being used in 2021 on a website called TheDonald to describe Donald Trump, who lost the 2020 election. Matthew L Hubbard (talk) 14:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Been discussed before. As last request says, even the Donald Trump doesn't include a mention of source for this nickname. If the article in question doesn't even refer to him as such, a dab page directing people there does not make sense. Also a webforum suchs as TheDonald wouldn't be a reliable source to use. WikiVirusC^(talk) 15:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

References

Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors, The Chronicles of Narnia, & The Carpet Makers

These three references should be removed. As per the reasoning given above, "Because a reliably-sourced mention of 'God Emperor' does not occur at [the article]", "[the article] doesn't include a mention of source for this nickname", et al.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:43, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

The sections above on this very talk page state that any links on this disambiguation page must go to an article that includes a "reliably-sourced mention of 'God Emperor'". As those three articles do not fulfil that requirement the references to them should be removed.

 Not done: Carpet Makers on religious devotion to a distant, and seemingly immortal, Emperor. Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors Three August Ones, were said to be god-kings or demigods. Although The Chronicles of Narnia does not go into detail about the character in the main article, it's covered in Calormen, he ruler of Calormen is called the Tisroc and is believed by the Calormene people to have descended in a direct line from the god Tash, whom the people worship in addition to other gods and goddesses. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

There is a god king article, which relates to deified rulers. This article however refers specifically to the term 'God Emperor', and as such should only include articles where that exact title is used.

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. A single comment about Donald Trump two and a half years ago does not dictate page policy. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Cult Worship of Donald Trump

Wikipedia is discrediting itself by letting worshippers of Donald Trump hijack this page to promote the idea that he is an emperor and a deity. 47.147.174.234 (talk) 19:16, 26 December 2022 (UTC)