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Error: "The dialogue begins as Socrates, Glaucon, and several others are on their way to make devotions to Athena" - The dialogue begins with a recollection by Socrates of the previous day, when he and Glaucon "went down to the Piraeus" to pray to the goddess". Which goddess is not stated, but as the festival of the goddess was being held for the first time it is probably *not* Athena (the patron goddess of Athens). Harold Bloom in the notes to his translation writes regarding the festival: "Apparently the festival of Bendis. Bendis was a foreign goddess; she was related to the moon by the Thracians who worshiped her. The Piraeus seems to have been a center for innovations in everything, including religion" (Republic, p 441). 66.123.107.89 (talk) 03:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to John Sallis (in 'The Verge of Philosophy' - first edition, 2008 - page 33), the Timaeus dialogue by Plato takes place on the feast of Athena (Sallis cites Timaeus 26e). According to this reckoning, the events of Republic take place on the Bendideia, the recollection of the events (which is the record known as Republic) takes place the following day. Timaeus then occurs two days after the Bendideia, and the dialogue begins first with a recapitulation of Republic Books 2-5, then an overview of what will be the Critias dialogue, then with Timaeus' exposition about the creation of the universe. The full Critias dialogue follows the Timaeus in narrative chronologically, although only a written fragment now exists. 96.233.73.79 (talk) 01:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible error: "widely considered to be one of Socrates' more sophisticated interlocutors" - Especially as Socrates clearly states at Republic 533a that Glaucon is unable to follow Socrates in seeing the truth itself, indicating that Glaucon only has the ability to perceive images, or reflections, of truth. Harold Bloom, in the notes to his translation of Republic, states that an account of the good cannot be given to Glaucon because, in part, he is "incapable of understanding it" Republic, p 402). 66.123.107.89 (talk) 04:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What might be erroneous in this empirical claim is whether Glaucon actually was considered in this way. The 'Possible error' and the ensuing discussion in the paragraph, seem to indicate that Glaucon cannot be a sophisticated interlocutor because he is unable to follow Socrates all the way, where 'all the way' is a meant to signify the path that leads, ultimately, to knowledge. But the explanatory 'because' in the previous sentence is fallacious. You can clearly be "Socrates' most sophisticated interlocutor" in, as it were, a Socratic dialogue without being a philosopher. In fact, as the original article mentions, a Socratic dialogue needs at least two people: one a philosopher (in Plato's sense) and one a non-philosopher. What is indicated by Socrates in the relevant passage from the Republic is precisely that Glaucon is not a philosopher. Thus, in a nutshell, in order to participate in a 'Socratic' discussion with Socrates, you need to be a non-philosopher, which is quite compatible with being an extremely sophisticated interlocutor. (Note: In writing this, I might have totally missed the point of 'the possible error' if it is intended as cunning point regarding the etymology of the word 'sophisticated'...)

--81.107.207.149 (talk) 10:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Republic does refer to the Bendideia[edit]

The character Thrasymachus in the The Republic (Plato) specifies at line Plat. Rep. 1.354a that the discussion is taking place on the feast of Bendis, that is the Bendideia. Colin McLarty (talk) 20:33, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Most of this article appears to have been an original interpretation of the works of Plato, and did not cite any modern secondary sources to back up its claims. I've removed the majority of the article as a violation of WP:NOR. - car chasm (talk) 03:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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