Talk:Glastening

Sources

There are several unreliable sources being used for this article. Celtnet is one. I've removed the occult writer Nigel Pennick. Historyfiles is another. I'm not sure about David Ford's site. Raex.com isn't an RS either. I'm basing this on WP:RS. Doug Weller (talk) 19:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Good point. Celtnet and Raex.com removed (plus isleofavalon in the 'see also' section) and replaced where better sources available. I've noticed Historyfiles is referenced at least 62 times in Wikipedia with reference to kings already, in which case the website is viewed by many as being generally regarded as trustworthy. Similarly David Nash Ford's Early British Kingdoms came up as a source 172 times (plus through Britannia.com) and he is often quoted in the text. The crux of his information on this page is regard to the link with Dogfeiling, where he follows the same logic as John Morris (historian), who is well attested. Robinboulby (talk) 22:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

HistoryFiles and EBK are unreliable. The fact they are used as references here does not mean they are acceptable but rather serves to underline the extent of the problem (see discussion started here, for instance). Enaidmawr (talk) 22:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I've just been through the RS Noticeboard plus Sub Romain Britain Taskforce and note the extent of the issue and will avoid Historyfiles and EBK from now on. I noticed John Morris was also in for a hard time; presumably Mike Ashley (Mammoth Book of Kings and Queens) would come into the same category? Good luck with the clean up. Robinboulby (talk) 22:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with Mike Ashley, but mention of John Morris tends to produce the same reaction amongst academics specialising in the sub-Roman period as the name of Robert Graves does amongst serious students of myth and legend. Great pity in Morris' case; he's a fine writer and certainly knew his stuff but he also weaves into his accounts his own pet theories and assumptions which have not found acceptance with the mainstream (and I'm being kind there!). Tnx for the good wishes. I've just checked some of the articles quoting EBK using Search and am rather daunted by the extent of the problem: needs the proverbial "month of Sundays" to sort out! Enaidmawr (talk) 22:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Questioning what this article is about

I've got Thornton's Glastonbury and the Glastening now. And William of Malmesbury on the Antiquity of Glastonbury William Wells Newell, PMLA, Vol. 18, No. 4 (1903), and The Origin of the Name of Glastonbury Louis H. Gray Speculum, Vol. 10, No. 1 (Jan., 1935). The discussions are about the pedigree, the etymology of the name Glastonbury, about a farmer named Glast, etc. Not about kingdoms, Somerset, etc. So what should the article be about, if it should exist at all? A very minor discussion of a pedigree I guess. Doug Weller (talk) 11:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Redirecting it tyo the Saxon tribe's page.Wipsenade (talk) 17:14, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

This is yet another example of a minority theory dressed up as fact. Interesting to note that only four links to "Glastening" exist on this wikipedia and they all quote EarlyBritishKingdoms (Ford) and HistoryFiles (see here; see also the comments above and discussion at Wikipedia talk:Wikiproject European History/Sub-Roman Britain Taskforce). You are right to question what this is and whether it should be here at all. This is the kind of article that causes certain sceptics to smirk as they say "according to wikipedia" - and if "Glastening" was representative, who could blame them? Enaidmawr (talk) 21:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

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