Talk:Giric

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Can anyone supply a pronunciation for Giric? --Iceager 12:22, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Given that it is a conflation of "Grig" and "Kyriacos" I suggest a hard "g" and "i"s as in "little". But the name has no authenticity and so you could really pronounce it as you wish!! Freuchie (talk) 15:52, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Introduction[edit]

The first sentence is simply not true.

First of all the man's name was NOT "Giric" but "Grig" - the Melrose Chronicle should be regarded as authoritative here. Grig means "heath" (compare modern Welsh "grug"). So Grig was a Pictish/Brythonnic name referring to the resilience/toughness of heather.

Second the Gaelic name "Griogair" is a corruption of the GREEK name "Gregor" which means "watcher" and hence, by allusion "shepherd" - whence its use amongst Christians, clerics in particular. So Gregor and Greig/Grig are actually completely unrelated and the conflation here is an example of intellectual sloppiness which was rife and on this occasion has so far resisted the attempts of Wikipedia Central Command to apply some rigour.

If you want a modern Gaelic translation is is "Fraoch" (which is the name of a major hero of Irish mythology). The name has been rendered in many different ways over the years (Fraich/Fraech etc.). "Freuch" is an Anglicised version.

One is left with the matter of why the conflation. I suspect that the best scribes writing in Latin could do was to render "Grig" as "Ciricus" - and to be fair it does look close.

The name "Ciricus" is a rendition of the name "Cyriacus" which means "of the lord" see: https://www.behindthename.com/name/cyriacus (think also "Kirie Eleison" etc.)

So in short we have several names: Gregor, Grig and Cyriacus all entirely different with different roots and different meanings and it is silly to try to conflate them So 1. The headline name should be GRIG 2. The modern Gaelic should be FRAOCH 3. The version "GIRIC" should be understood as a faux Latinisation (Cyriacus is better) referring to the Greek name "Kyriacos".

It is probably BECAUSE OF the conflation of Grig and Kyriacos that the church was dedicated to "St Cyricus" now St Cyrus. Freuchie (talk) 15:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pedigree[edit]

Grig filius Dunegal (king 878-889 d.c.890)

Dunegal filius Seluach

Seluach filius Eogan

Ewen filius Murcerdach

Murechat filius Arinchellac (became king of Cenel Loairn in c.733, died 771 per Four Masters)

Arinchellac filius Ferchar longi d.719

Chronicle of Scotland MS. Colb. Bib. Imp. Paris 4126 2605:A601:A715:9A00:D469:8D6A:FF64:5129 (talk) 05:29, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]