Talk:Giovanni Borgia, 2nd Duke of Gandía

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Wrong picture[edit]

According to the book "The Borgias" by Marion Johnson, the man in that picture is Cesare Borgia, not Giovanni Borgia. --Medicore fluff 19:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is another portrait said to be of Juan Borgia: www.fuenterrebollo.com (scroll down). Looks like the same man as in the Wikipedia portrait. Where are these paintings? --Wetman 05:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The portrait used in this article is one of Cesare Borgia was painted by Giorgione. The book I have says this, but I cannot find a site that displays this work by Giorgione thus far because he painted another famous picture of Cesare (used in the Cesare article).--Medicore fluff 19:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am preparing to add another image: at least one verifiable source exists citing Pinturicchio's fresco Disputation of St Catherine in the Borgia Apartments as including a male figure mounted on a horse in the far right portion of the fresco and "thought to show [Pope] Alexander [VI]'s son, Juan..." That source is Maxwell-Stuart, P.G., Chronicle of the Popes, London, Thames and Hudson, 1997, pages 158-159, ISBN 0-500-01798-0. WulfW (talk) 18:54, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The previous image on this page is noted as being an alleged portrait of Giovanni Borgia; but the description lacks citation. The page in the Commons for the image provides an incorrect or impractical link (i.e., the source page is perhaps inaccessible without the installation of Drupal software?).

Strange reference[edit]

Is this a reference in the 3rd paragraph: (Sabatini, II.4)? If so, what does it refer to? Astronaut (talk) 18:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong birth year[edit]

Juan cannot be second youngest but be born the year before Cesare(Who is the oldest brother) It even states in the article that Juan was born between 1475-1476. So then 1474 must be wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.26.47.120 (talk) 07:40, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cesare was the first son, born 1475. Juan was the second, born a year after Cesare - so 1476. (Alliwalk (talk) 02:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC))[reply]

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References

^ Christopher Hibbert (2008). The Borgias and Their Enemies. Harcourt, Inc. ISBN 978-0-15-101033-2.

The introduction uses "1474 or 1476–1497" and later "1474 or 1476". The box uses "c. 1474". Since it's not clear when he was born the date should be "1474 or 1476" and that should be in the introduction and in the box.

Cesare was either born in 1475 or 1476. We cannon infer who was the oldest or younger between Giovanni and Cesare.

ICE77 (talk) 03:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propagating Ridiculous Rumor[edit]

"there is the possibility that Juan died at the hands of Pico della Mirandola" is absolutely ridiculous. Pico della Mirandola died in 1494, and Giovanni Borgia was killed in 1497. The reference is to "Sabbatini," which, as mentioned above, is not further identified. Prignillius (talk) 22:51, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Eldest brother?[edit]

Other sources I've read said that Juan is the second oldest and Cesare is the oldest. So I'm a bit skeptical to the truth of "the older brother of Cesare Borgia" in the article.Angevin1216 (talk) 20:35, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed this to reflect the uncertainty regarding their ages. There are conflicting documents both for Cesare's and Juan's ages even in contemporary documents, so it is not certain who was the eldest. Most modern historians seem to agree now that Juan was younger than Cesare though.--Feuerrabe (talk) 15:33, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Christopher Hibbert (2008). The Borgias and Their Enemies. Harcourt, Inc. ISBN 978-0-15-101033-2.

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