Talk:Giants of Mont'e Prama

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Translation[edit]

We have translated the whole of the Italian page. As soon as possible, we will complete the insertion of the bibliography. To do this, I left, between brackets, the numbering of the notes. In this way it will be easier to locate and insert notes.==DedaloNur (talk) 09:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well done DedaloNur, I've already start wikification. I've upload a new image on Commons from pictures taken at Li Punti. --Shardan (talk) 07:10, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
let's wikifi!!! ;) ==DedaloNur (talk) 07:28, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maps[edit]

We must translate the maps, before inserting them==DedaloNur (talk) 06:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Witch maps are you talking about? --Shardan (talk) 07:10, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
the map of Sinis Peninsula and the map of sardinia and the necropolis plan of course....==DedaloNur (talk) 07:19, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Already done Ded! :-) We should start inserting references and bibliography. What do you think? --Shardan (talk) 11:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but it is not enough to translate the captions of the photos. We must translate the phrases in the maps, as I just did, with the plant of the necropolis. bye == DedaloNur (talk) 11:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Finally I should have finished with the translation and the graphical improvements of maps. Obviously the suggestions are always welcome--DedaloNur (talk) 23:13, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Now is better, you should insert it on it.Wiki. --Shardan (talk) 10:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have further improved the map; I differentiated the simple nuraghi from complex ones at Narbolia and the southern part of the municipality of Seneghe. I wanted to point out the great necropolis of nuragic campu Daré, composed of eight giant' graves (maybe ten) and I reported, with an icon in the major scale (given the breadth of that monument) the great nuraghe S'Uraki, at San vero Milis. It was necessary to mention the settlements at the necropolis of banatou-Narbolia. Now, really, I will stop here. In the only town in Seneghe, not to mention villages, tombs, sacred wells, there are 100 nuraghi, that should be noted: this is impossible--DedaloNur (talk) 12:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notes mess[edit]

trying to enter into the following article notes: Lo Schiavo, Fulvia, Franco Campus, Valentina Leonelli (2010). La transizione culturale dall'età del bronzo all'età del ferro nella Sardegna nuragica in relazione con l'Italia tirrenica; I made a mess, and I did not understand, how I did--DedaloNur (talk) 23:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed everything, there was a }} in the wrong place, check View history :-))--Shardan (talk) 10:36, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that there is a little confusion between notes using ref Lilliu (2008); because there are two different works of Lilliu, dating to 2008. Giovanni Lilliu, Sculture della Sardegna nuragica (PDF), Nuoro, Ilisso, 2008. ISBN 9788862020275, e Giovanni Lilliu, La grande statuaria nella Sardegna nuragica in La Sardegna e il Mediterraneo negli scritti di Giovanni Lilliu, Sassari, Carlo Delfino, 2008. ISBN 978-88-7138-502-0 Also in the italian version of the article, we should better distinguish. put only a year, and the author, in "cit", when a year and the author are the same, now that we translate, could lead us into error. I have a lapse of memory to understand which quote refers to a work or, at the other. should I reread everything.--DedaloNur (talk) 22:36, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I saw. I used Lilliu (without first name) to distinguish it. That note is the only one without first name. If you want, we can use G.Lilliu. We can also use notes with only the last name and the year of publication. What do you think?--Shardan (talk) 08:26, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You should distinguish more clearly through, marked, at least a part of the title. tonight, if I have time, I read the two articles, then edit the article Italian, and later, this--DedaloNur (talk) 08:41, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the italian version, we have thus distinguished between these two different sources: Lilliu (2008), op. cit., note 90. ^ Lilliu (1966), op. cit., pp. 21, 72, figg. 58-59. so maybe it's better to give the date of the original publication (1966), for Sardinia's nuragic sculpture, republished in 2008. and indicate with year 2008 article entitled "the great statues" --DedaloNur (talk) 11:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyediting[edit]

I've read the whole text and have, I hope, improved the grammar in places. I've left a sprinkling of {{Clarify}} templates where I don't think the meaning is clear; each has an explanatory "reason=xxx" parameter. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks John of Reading, you've done a good job. I'll try to do something where I see the {{Clarify}}.--Shardan (talk) 14:04, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It'd be nice[edit]

To have more about the culture the cute tentacle came from. The running text says he's holding a "capsized" (which is incomprensible) or trident, but I took it to be two arms holding a flute or phallus. The double headed dagger also seems like a stretch. Are there more examples of the figure somewhere that make the items more obvious? — LlywelynII 12:33, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you're right, it should be more clear. Here: - in Italian - some more info. Capovolto is a stylized man, depicted upside down, in the representation of the transition between earthly life and the afterlife, just as it was conceived flipped the kingdom of hell where the souls of the dead, fly away from the earth with a dip upside down. According to Laconi menhir museum there are five kinds of capovolto, and one of these is the trident, a simple scheme of stylised man with orthogonal arms often behind or slightly arched at the end of the limbs and the junction with the shoulders. --Shardan (talk) 11:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not the oldest Mediterranean anthropomorphic statues[edit]

The Snake Goddess of Minoan Crete, 1600 BC
Mycenaean statuette, 1400 BC
Here's a statue of the Hittite priest king or deity, 1600 BC

This statement in the introduction of the article is patently false:

"If this is further confirmed by archaeologists, they would be the most ancient anthropomorphic sculptures of the Mediterranean area, after the Egyptian statues, preceding the kouroi of ancient Greece.[9]"

The citation is from an Italian source, so unfortunately I can't read it (without the often annoying help of Google Translate, which does a shoddy job). It's also not helped by the fact that the link no longer works!

In any case, these statues are almost certainly not the first anthropomorphic statues of the Mediterranean following the Egyptian civilization. Off the top of my head, I can think of the Snake Goddess from Knossos, dated to about 1600 BC during the Minoan civilization on Crete. The Mycenaean Greeks were astute artists in metal dish ware and painted wall murals like the Minoans; I'm almost positive they had statues to compliment these. In fact, at Wikimedia Commons under "Mycenaean culture" you can find this Mycenaean statuette unearthed near what is now Sparta, depicting a Cretan lady and dated to 1400 BC. Aside from the ancient Minoans and Mycenaeans, what about the Levant? Which also forms part of the Mediterranean world. How about the contemporary Hittites of Anatolia and Syria? In the second image to the right is a statue of a priest king or deity from about 1600 BC, made centuries before the Nuragic civilization built the giants of Monte Prama. I'm almost positive the contemporaneous Phoenicians had some anthropomorphic statues as well.

In short, this statement should be stricken from the introduction, or revised entirely because it is simply inaccurate.Pericles of AthensTalk 22:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a mistake...actually some authors think that the Giants of Monte Prama are the oldest "tutto tondo" (I don't know how to translate it in English, maybe "free standing" ?) statues of the Mediterranean sea after the Egyptian sculptures..--Xoil (talk) 18:52, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is a big difference between figurines and statues standing over 2 meters high. Are the Sardinian bronze figurines (1200 - 1100 - 1000 BC, highly debated) in chronological relation with the statues of Monte Prama? Unfortunately, we still don't Know. --93.45.140.100 (talk) 20:48, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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