Talk:Gedaliah ibn Yahya ben Joseph

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Truth or Fiction?[edit]

The 1970s 22-volume Encyclopaedia Judaica does not have the "Chain of Lies" wording or even tone of voice. Since the work under focus is a 40 year project, and even the 1906 12-volume The Jewish Encyclopedia cites a source saying "that it is more accurate than many have supposed it to be" I will tone it down and back-link to the harsher wording. For whatever it's worth, the 1970s EJ article is more detailed than the 1906 JE one. For that matter, the subsection title "Truth or Fiction?" has a flavor of "I hear you stopped yelling at your neighbors" / "It's not true" / "You still yell at them?" (to which "No, I didn't yell" falls on deaf ears). Somehow Legacy seems be more NPOV. Pi314m (talk) 22:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which Joseph was Gadliah's father[edit]

According to Encyclopaedia Judaica, it was (p.1210) IBN YAHYA, JOSEPH BEN DAVID (1494-1534) ... born in Florence, Italy, parents having fled to that country from Portugal. .. settled .. Imola. He studied in the yeshiva of R. Judah *Mintz in Padua. Of his works, only two have been preserved: (1) Perush HaMesh Megillot u-Ketuvim (Bologna, 1538); and (2) Torah Or ... Two other works, Derekh Hayyim ..and Ner Mizvah ... were accidentally consigned to the flames at the burning of the Talmud in Padua in 1554. Joseph had three sons, one of whom was Gedaliah ben Joseph *ibn Yachya, the author of Shalshelet ha-Kabbalah. His request to his sons to be buried in Erez Israel was fulfilled ten years after his death, Joseph *Caro arranging for his burial in Safed.

Artscroll agrees with this being the right Joseph. Moreover, there is a handcopied page from one of the works burned, copied by Gedaliah, part of the Cecil Roth Collection. A bit of WP:OR is this- born 1494, fathered 1515-born Gedliah, i.e. father age 21, fits Pirkei Avot's 18 to marry.

two problems[edit]

1. This person, if he indeed lived under this name and between the dates given by the article (all of which could be very easily contested by a methodical review of the contradictions in the main sources), is not the same person as the alleged other one, i.e. this linked Irish character Eanes/Ben Avraham. I don't really understand what the intended connection between the two is, but the link in a parenthesis right after the first name opening the article is clearly misplaced. This should be explained, and the link between the two needs to put somewhere else in the page, after it is clarified and explained.

2. That Abraham Rovigo mentioned in connection with the Ferrara Yeshiva where this person allegedly studied, needs to be removed from there. Maybe there was a different person under this same name that lived at the time given for the life on the person on this page, but the Wikipedia page for that Avraham Rovigo from Modena/Rovigo gives the birth date for that person as 1650, which is really half a century after the years when person on this page allegedly lived. If an earlier Avraham Rovigo is not identified, than that name needs to be removed from this page. Thank you. warshy ^(¥¥) 17:45, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(1) The Eanes/Ben Avraham is not his personal Ben/son-of, but rather a family tree link; the Jewish mayor's article has a 1555 date.

Also, "if he lived" conflicts with the chart in http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/15051-yahya (which has 1515-1587 for a Gedliah, "about 1550" for that person's father Joseph ibn Yacha, and 1470-1533 for Joseph's father Solomon).
(2) I agree that the Avraham Rovigo (c. 1650-1713) in the Wikilink is clearly the wrong person; only the wikilink itself needs to be removed, or perhaps altered;

the person now linked to perhaps should be Abraham Rovigo (1650s-1713) Pi314m (talk) 23:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a standard way of linking pages on Wikipedia (certainly not in a parenthesis in the page's main opening name. But I still don't understand at all what may be the possible connection between the two pages.

I see where the name Abraham Rovigo in this page came from, i.e. directly from the copied JE text. I will study the sources better and decide later what changes might have to be made to that page, so it is not directly linked here as it now is. Thanks, warshy ^(¥¥) 17:21, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]