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Name[edit]

I'm sure the name is a reference to Art Garfunkel and John Oates, but I'm wondering if it references in particular the Simpsons episode Lisa's Rival which features a band of "second bests" including Garfunkel, Oates, and Jim Messina. --Saforrest (talk) 19:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an interview they did with the Wall Street Journal[1]--Nick4leader (talk) 09:40, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mad Magazine mentioned a band called 'Garfunkel and Oats' back in a 1989 issue. Czolgolz (talk) 13:53, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I remember that MAD piece - "Hit Albums of the '90s - A Look Ahead". Their G&O mockup depicted an album titled "Partners Without Partners" and described the two as having gotten together after attending a meeting of "Partners Without Paychecks." Other albums referenced included The Beatles' "Plaid Album" ("It's the same as the White Album, but when Ted Turner's great-grandson bought Capitol Records he had the album colorized") and Pink Floyd's "The Dark Side of Unemployment" ("While it didn’t contain any of the trademark musicianship, artistic experimentation or creative integrity of the early days, it did have “Pink Floyd" printed on it in real big letters")

It was in the October 1988 issue. Shotguntony (talk) 15:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Garfunkel and Oates gag (Garfunkel, Oates, and Nash) was also used in a 2002 episode of Family Guy ("From Method to Madness"). This was seven years before this team was formed. I wonder if there might be a reason to give credit where credit is due and point out the various previous uses of this joke, considering the band name is presented as a joke name.ShelbyMarion (talk) 01:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 01:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Look pretty much all good!

"After hearing a demo by Garfunkel and Oates, written about a tomato and based on a pitch by Jeremy Konner," is a little clunky. Was it Konner who directed Obama to the song? Did G&O take a pitch from Konner to create the song about the tomato? Did Konner ask them to write the demo, the song didn't exist before? Who is Konner, anyway, a comedian, a producer? (I'm sure it says all this in the article, but this is just to show the process of me not understanding.)

Well written: Yes, other than the above, it's well-written and structured. I'm relatively unfamiliar with the duo in this context (I seen one video, but know them better as voice actors), but I had no issues understanding what was said, and it walked the line between completeness and brevity deftly.
Verifiable with no original research: No section of the article is without a source. Most sources are either traditional outlets (NYT, Elle, American Songwriter), the sources that aren't (HelloGiggles) present no reason to question their legitimacy, and what they're used as a source for is very simple and factual, so I deem them as also reliable. (Inherently, nothing in this topic is ever likely to be challenged.) No original research, no copyvio.
Broad in its coverage: Yes, a complete picture without going unnecessarily deep-dive.
Neutral: Yes.
Stable: Yes, stable edit history, and nothing on the talk page to speak of. (The suggestion that Nerdland credits them as Garfunkel and Oates is incorrect, based on the poster, and without a source connecting their choice of name to Mad or Family Guy, it's only unverified, original research.)
Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: Definitely clear as properly licensed.

So yeah, it's just the Mochi sentence left, before a pass. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, I think. Let me know if the change is okay. benǝʇᴉɯ 06:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanimum: Pinging in case you didn't see this. benǝʇᴉɯ 03:59, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanimum: One last time for good measure! benǝʇᴉɯ 13:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 06:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will review this today --K. Peake 06:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

Infobox looks good!
Pipe comedy folk to Comedy rock
Merge the first para with the second one per the overly short length
"met at an improv show" → "met during an improv show" to avoid overusage of at
"several of which became popular on" → "becoming popular through" per the body
"Their debut studio album," → "Garfunkel and Oates' debut studio album,"
In the third para, add a mention of the duo's first tour at the start before the TV series
Mention that the nomination was at the 68th Primetime Emmy Awards with the wikilink
Wikilink children's TV series and add a comma afterwards

History[edit]

2007–2010: Formation and YouTube[edit]

Img looks good!
Add after the music camp part that they were unaware of each other at the time
Lindhome's flute part is not sourced nor is Micucci being four years old

Both are taken from their American Songwriter interview: Lindhome began at nine years old with the flute. Micucci started at four with piano. benǝʇᴉɯ 15:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, ok; I didn't realize since that ref is not invoked here. --K. Peake 07:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"where they were both" → "where the two were both"
"They soon became" → "Lindhome and Micucci soon became"
"The duo was formed" → "Garfunkel and Oates was formed"
Add the release year of Imaginary Larry in brackets
"during the 2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike," → "during the 2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike," with the wikilink
"posted two videos of the duo performing their songs to" → "posted a videos of the duo performing to" per the source
"and they soon appeared on" → "which soon appeared on"
"the duo earned a" → "Garfunkel and Oates earned a"
Pipe Culdesac to Culdesac (mixtape)

2011–2013: All Over Your Face, Slippery When Moist, and TV series[edit]

Wikilink music video
"They released a" → "Garfunkel and Oates released a"
"In 2012," → "The following year,"
"They released their song" → "The duo released their song"
"they released the song" → "Garfunkel and Oates released the song"
"In September 2013, IFC green-lit" → "In September 2014, IFC approved" with the pipe
The Los Angeles comedy scene part does not appear to be sourced

I believe that that was what the A.V. Club article was meant to be a source for, my mistake. benǝʇᴉɯ 22:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2015–present: Secretions and Trying to Be Special[edit]

Remove comma after third studio album
Pipe "The Romance Renaissance" to The Big Bang Theory (season 7)
"they released a Vimeo comedy special," → "Garfunkel and Oates released a Vimeo comedy special titled"
"the duo appeared on" → "Garfunkel and Oates appeared on"
Add the release year of "Everything Is Awesome" in brackets

That feels redundant, only because the sentence already reads, In February 2019, Garfunkel and Oates appeared on the soundtrack for the 2019 film... benǝʇᴉɯ 22:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"and chose the duo to" → "and chose them to"
"written by the duo." → "written by Garfunkel and Oates."
Remove commas around Kimberly
"write all lyrics." → "write all the lyrics." but merge this with the above para, as the contribution will have happened eventually

Artistry and public image[edit]

[38][25] should be solely at the end of the sentence
"Their music has frequently" → "The work has frequently" to be less repetitive
""childlike" melodies and "sweet"" → ""childlike" melodies, and "sweet""

Since there are only two things being listed (the melodies and the vocals), wouldn't a comma be unnecessary? benǝʇᴉɯ 22:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct; my bad for thinking cutesy was a separate point! --K. Peake 07:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is the usage of The A.V. Club ref in the above sentence?

Moved it to where it belonged. benǝʇᴉɯ 22:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"dirty-mouth act."" → "dirty-mouth act"." per MOS:QUOTE
"to stay afloat."" → "to stay afloat"."
"compared the tone of their songs to" → "compared the tone of their music to"
Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com per MOS:LINK2SECT
"wrote that their songs" → "wrote that the songs"

Discography[edit]

Studio albums[edit]

Pipe CD to Compact disc
Pipe US Heat. to Top Heatseekers per MOS:LINK2SECT

EPs=[edit]

Good

Guest appearances[edit]

Why are there no sources here?

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References[edit]

Copyvio score looks great at 20.6%!!!!
Cite HelloGiggles as publisher instead on ref 1
Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com on ref 7 per MOS:LINK2SECT
Cite MLive as publisher instead on ref 11
Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 13, 18 and 27
Pipe Complex to Complex (magazine) on ref 14 per this being the correct section
Ref 17 is a duplicate of ref 1
Cite The Recording Academy as publisher instead on ref 23
The Huffington Post → HuffPost on ref 24 and fix WP:OVERLINK
Remove pipe on Vulture for ref 25
Cite IndieWire as publisher instead on ref 33
Ref 34 is a duplicate of ref 3
Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 43
Cite NPR as publisher instead on ref 44
Wikilink Apple Music on ref 50

Final comments and verdict[edit]

On hold until all of the issues are fixed, after this quick review! --K. Peake 08:55, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I made all of the necessary changes, save for a few that I addressed above. If I missed anything important (or anything at all), let me know. Thank you so much for the speedy review! benǝʇᴉɯ 22:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Benmite Nice work but you missed the HuffPost fix, also shouldn't the American Songwriter ref be invoked again after the instrumentation sentence from their younger years since it is not invoked until the end of the para later on than [2]? --K. Peake 07:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: Done. benǝʇᴉɯ 05:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Pass now, impressive work and you had a much more responsive reviewer than last time! --K. Peake 09:19, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thor and Dr Jones[edit]

Didn't they write this too? Seems to be no mention of it in here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ke-AdKdqE Jellinator (talk) 22:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]