Talk:FrightFest (film festival)

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Opening comment[edit]

OK, you've got a little while for some sources, but if nothing improves, this goes to AfD. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 08:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's a final list of this years films for the festival here: http://www.frightfest.co.uk/filmindexpage.html but they've not kept lists of past festivals on the site. I can did through archive.org if it'll help any. --Tonym001 (talk) 11:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (2010)[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page not moved. harej 08:39, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

London FrightFest Film Festival → FrightFest — The correct title for this film festival is FrightFest it is not called the London FrightFest Film Festival. 12.196.37.227 (talk) 20:59, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as FrightFest is the name of a holiday feature run at multiple theme parks in the US. I would support a rename to FrightFest (London film festival) since there are other film festivals with the same name. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:12, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Vegaswikian; Fright Fest already exists as an article, suggest FrightFest (London) instead. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 23:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the title changed would be all one word, no spaces between the words fright and fest and the letter F in both words spelled in capitals like this: FrightFest. If you look at the FrightFest official website that is how it is spelled. The current article in question is spelled Fright Fest with a space between fright and fest. But this: FrightFest (London film festival) would work just as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.151.53.27 (talk) 01:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Both FrightFest and Fright Fest already exist. One is a disambiguation page and the other is an article. I see no reason to believe that the London film festival is the primary topic for either title. Powers ^T 12:34, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Page cleanup[edit]

I'm doing some cleanup and wanted to explain my actions. I also wanted to mention that I'm aware that a lot of this article is unsourced - that will be one of my future projects for this. My main focus here is making this easier to read.

I've moved the Glasgow FrightFest to its own section. This has been a yearly offshoot of the London festival for a while now, so it merits its own section.

A lot of sections listed the films by date. This is honestly pretty unwieldy to read and makes the page longer in ways that isn't really necessary. In later years some films are screened on multiple days, so this also makes it a bit redundant. I'm changing this to prose to make it a bit more wieldy.

Once that's done I want to find sourcing and hopefully add more to the sections other than just a listing of films. On a side note, I think that at this point it may be a good idea to retitle this article. The film festival itself is titled just "FrightFest", not "London FrightFest Film Festival". This is likely as a result of it branching out. Rather than holding just one event they now hold three major events: the London event in August, the Glasgow event around February, and the Halloween event in October. I'll start a move discussion. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 March 2022[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. Number 5 7 14:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

London FrightFest Film Festival → FrightFest (film festival) – The festival as a whole goes by FrightFest on its website and the focus is now on the three events they hold: one in August (London), one in October (London), and one in February-ish (Glasgow). This may not be considered controversial, but I thought it would be good to open a formal request. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:28, 19 March 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 04:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

At present the target is a redirect to this page that I created. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 20:00, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose FrightFest (festival) should redirect to FrightFest where multiple festivals are listed (ie. all of them) "FrightFest" means festival, so "(festival)" should redirect to it in all cases -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 01:15, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point, but here's an argument for it being used: there's only one other film festival with this title, Fangoria FrightFest. As far as I can tell, that film festival is no longer active and the name is used for a series of DVD releases. Even the website "http://www.fangoriafrightfest.com/" is dead and the Twitter account hasn't been updated since 2011. There's not much about it at all and what I can see about it via an archived copy it looks like it was used more as a marketing tool to promote said video line.

A search for just FrightFest and festival produces hits for this film festival. I honestly can't find any evidence that there are other notable film festivals with this title, nor can I see anything about the events with this title. I must also point out that the events with this title like the one at Six Flags do not call themselves festivals. Event and festival do not mean the exact same thing.

That said, I suppose we could be more specific and have this be moved to "FrightFest (film festival)" - I'll update the header accordingly. But to be honest, the argument for using this as the new title are that

This film festival is the number one and pretty much sole results when searching with the terms "FrightFest" and "festival".
The only other film festival on that page is defunct and has little to no web presence as a festival. The hits come up pretty much solely as a line of DVDs.
Festival is not a synonym for event. A festival is a type of event and the other FrightFest events do not use the word "festival" to describe themselves. The only time I found the events using the term "festival" is when I searched in a very specific manner using qualifiers to look for only those results that have that search term, along with the location specific title. In other words, when it is used it's pretty infrequent.
The presence of other articles doesn't mean that the more general title should redirect to the disambiguation page. A search shows that this is the primary topic. There's only one other film festival that used this title, so per WP:PRIMARYRED it stands to reason that it would be reasonable to have this renamed to "FrightFest (film festival)" and have a hatnote directing people towards other uses of the name. If there are any other film festivals with this title then they don't appear to be notable enough for entries - even the Fangoria one doesn't have enough coverage to justify inclusion as its own article or to be considered a primary topic.

As stated, I'll further specify this to be on the fair side but I don't really think that many would think of the park events as festivals per se. Adding the word "film" should suffice to resolve any ambiguity, however. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You could present an argument that "FrightFest" without qualifier should be this article, that would be a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC argument for renaming (as suggested in the 2010 renaming reqquest); (and moving the disambiguation page to FrightFest (disambiguation) ). My objection was procedural, in that the base page should receive the basic "(festival)" disambiguator as a redirect page. As for what a wikt:festival is, festivals are events, and if they celebrate something, it is a festival. Like celebrating Halloween, or having a theme party. Or using the original definition, holding a feast day. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 14:21, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What are your thoughts on the new suggestion - FrightFest (film festival)? I've changed it to be more specific. There is no other film festival by this title that is active and this is really the only one that comes up in a search for film festivals. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:03, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like it could work -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that one of the biggest issues right now is that the current title is inaccurate and imprecise, so the title needs to be changed. If not the film festival specific one, then what would you suggest? ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Has Arrow Video always been the title sponsor? And for both London and Glasgow? -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No - it used to be Film4. I thought about making it Arrow Video FrightFest, but the sponsors have changed around some prior to Film4 as well. Not intensely, mind you, but there's been about 3-4 major sponsors over the lifetime of this festival. I'm not opposed to that as an alternative, just that I wanted something that wouldn't be so reliant on changing it if the sponsor changed up again. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:15, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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