Talk:Franklin Pierce

First President Born in the Nineteenth Century

As standard lists of Presidents of the United States indicate, Franklin Pierce was the first President to have been born in the 19th century. While one person has questioned whether this "notable," it is factual, and I think it is proper to include the information. The article on Dwight Eisenhower notes that he was the last President to have been born in the 19th century, and the article on John F. Kennedy states that he was the first President born in the 20th century. If it is proper to include such information for Eisenhower and Kennedy, it is proper to include it in this article.John Paul Parks (talk) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

This is a FA, the others aren't. It passed the FA process without it, and was still deemed comprehensive. And the relevancy is greater with a more recent century. May I enquire if you added that information to the articles in question?--Wehwalt (talk) 07:56, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this gets into the matter of a century start being in year __01. Fillmore was born in 1800, and there was no year 0. Carlm0404 (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

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Franklin Pierce (1804–1869) was the 14th President of the United States (1853–57). A northern Democrat who saw the abolitionist movement as a fundamental threat to the unity of the nation, Pierce undertook polarizing actions in championing and signing the Kansas–Nebraska Act and enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act. His actions impacted his once high popularity and failed to stem intersectional conflict, setting the stage for Southern secession. US historians and other political commentators generally rank Pierce's presidency as among the worst.Photograph: Mathew Brady; restoration: Adam Cuerden

Franklin Pierce

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It's mentioned here. Does that help?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Vice President

His vice president was William R. King. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.107.142.18 (talk) 17:10, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

That's correct, but King died on April 18, 1853 -- only 45 days after the beginning of Pierce's presidential term. He was the only U.S. Vice-President never to carry out any of the duties of said office.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 00:03, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Middle Initial

I remember as a kid learning this president as "Franklin B. Pierce." I found a book about him on Amazon that refers to him in the title as as "Franklin B. Pierce," so I know I'm not crazy. This edited was reverted, though. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 20:32, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry I rolled it back, I should have undid it. But I know of nothing that says he had middle initial/name and presidents are usually pretty well studied.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:44, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

The link provided was to a published book that refers to him as "Franklin B. Pierce," though.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 13:45, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. But most sources don't list him with a middle initial, let alone a middle name.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:56, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

The use of Jane Pierce's first name

Wikipedia policy is to use the last names of women (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Writing_about_women#Use_surnames). In this article, Jane Pierce is almost exclusively referred to by her first name. While I understand that her last name is the same as the subject of the article, in paragraphs where both Pierces are referred to, consider using both their first names.

Tejas Subramaniam (talk) 08:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

I've done some of that, especially in the earlier parts of the article. Feel free to change anything else that needs it in your view. I understand the reasons for this, but some of the phrasings become a bit awkward.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

denied re-nomination by his party

Is that the only time this happened? There are several cases where the elected President chose not to seek re-election, although I know that Truman and Lyndon Johnson did so after having started runs for re-nomination. Afterthought: What was Wilson thinking in 1920? Carlm0404 (talk) 19:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

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Franklin Pierce (November 23, 1804 – October 8, 1869) was the 14th president of the United States (1853–1857), a northern Democrat who saw the abolitionist movement as a fundamental threat to the unity of the nation. He alienated anti-slavery groups by supporting and signing the Kansas–Nebraska Act and enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act, yet these efforts failed to stem conflict between North and South. The South eventually seceded and the American Civil War began in 1861. Historians and scholars generally rank Pierce as one of the worst and least memorable U.S. presidents.

Engraving credit: Bureau of Engraving and Printing; restored by Andrew Shiva

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Pierce on the North "attacking" the South

The Wallner quote from a C-SPAN interview doesn't refer to military action, but to social action.
Here's the referenced quote:
He also thought - and he sincerely believed this - that if the North hadn't attacked the South so much for being for this moral sin of slavery, that the South eventually over time would have ended slavery on its own, that he felt that the Civil War was unnecessary.

That means it was, in Pierce's opinion, the relentless Northern abolitionist agitation against Southern slavery that brought on literal warfare; a social campaign against slavery became a military campaign against secession. The quote is set in a paragraph about Pierce and abolition. Notice the 1835 Pierce quote against it: "One thing must be perfectly apparent to every intelligent man. This abolition movement must be crushed or there is an end to the Union."

In expanding the section, User:Antiok 1pie partially quoted Wallner: "After the Civil War, Pierce believed that if the North hadn't attacked the South, the latter would have eventually ended slavery on its own . . ." Dropping the phrase, "so much for being for this moral sin of slavery," gave the impression that Wallner was talking about military hostilities. So User:Wehwalt tweaked it with "Pierce believed that war had not come," which I assume was a typo for "Pierce believed that had war not come. . ."

I've rewritten the passage with a paraphrase: "Pierce believed that if the North hadn't so aggressively agitated against Southern slavery . . ." YoPienso (talk) 02:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2023

Franklin Pierce had no full middle name but had a "K" so Franklin K Pierce 35.136.106.82 (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Favonian (talk) 16:36, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

I would be very surprised if the OP was accurate. Wehwalt (talk) 17:01, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Re his tragic life.

His Presidency was not 100% about slavery. Perhaps some editing is in order. Cleolion (talk) 23:59, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Clarification needed

I added to this sentence in the third paragraph under "U.S. Senate": "He challenged a bill that would expand the ranks of the Army's staff officers in Washington without any apparent benefit to line officers at posts in the rest of the country." Did the bill become law? If it did not, then "would expand" should be "would have expanded." If it did, then "would expand" should be ", after it was enacted, expanded." Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't seem like much to me so I've removed the sentence and the tag. Wehwalt (talk) 01:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)