Talk:Fiannamail ua Dúnchado

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Identity, king of which Dál Riata ?[edit]

His death is not in doubt, nor the fact that he was grandson of Dúnchad. IIRC, Bannerman presumes him to have been king of Irish Dál Riada. If he is the son of Conall Cael mac Dúnchada whose death in Kintyre is reported in A.U. s.a. 681, he may equally have been a Cenél nGabráin king. C.f. Dunchád Becc of Kintyre, and in A.U., s.a. 701: A skirmish in Scí in which Conaing son of Dúnchad and Cuanna's son fell. The text of gloss to the Internet Medieval Sourcebook version of the Cáin Adomnáin makes him a king in Ireland. Thoughts anyone ? Angus McLellan 20:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He is 'a' king of Dal Riada. Eochu Ua Domnaill is another Dal Riada king who was a signator of the Cáin Adomnáin. Their titles are not given in Cáin Adomnáin, hence I assume the mistaken assumption that he was an Irish Kings. Fiannamail is mentioned in the king lists of Dal Riada, however mangle and turned into a byname of Eochu [Ua Domnaill], see Marjorie Anderson work on Scottish kings. His family are discussed in Fraser's "The Iona Chronicle, the Descendants of Aedan mac Gabrain, and the 'Principal Kindreds of Dal Riata'", 2004. https://ssns.org.uk/resources/Documents/NorthernStudies/Vol38/Fraser_2004_Vol_38_pp_77_96.pdf https://ssns.org.uk/resources/Documents/NorthernStudies/Vol39/Fraser_2005_Vol_39_pp_125_130.pdf 147.1.235.114 (talk) 21:01, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As IP states, they may be 'a' king of Dal Riata. The way Gaelic kingdoms work there is obviously an overking, or king of kings, of Dal Riata, who as their title suggests rules over other kings, in this case most likely petty kings of the tuaths that formed Dal Riata. This figure may simply be one of these lower rank kings. He may be the overking himself. Heck we don't know and medieval doctoring and propaganda in the annals makes it hard to know which. All we can do is provide what the sources state and attribute it to the historians and sources who make the claims. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:38, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]