Talk:Fenian dynamite campaign

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Copyright violation, attribution and reliable sources[edit]

A large part of this article was copied verbatim from the Metropolitan Police website. Unfortunately this is a copyright violation, which is against Wikipedia policy, since the website does not indicate that its content is free. I have added hidden comment marks to the copyrighted text. This makes it invisible to the reader, but allows any editor to re-word the text sufficiently to make it original. I will delete the text altogether in a short time if this does not happen. All the rest of the article was copied from Michael Barrett (Fenian). This is permissible only if there is a link to the article in the edit summary to allow attribution to be given to the original author(s) (see Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia). I have deleted and restored this content, so attribution has now been given. Finally, the Metropolitan Police website may be considered a reliable source for content concerning the Met and the Fenians, but not for large generaisations about Irish history, such as "The Irish Republican Army effectively continued the Fenian's [sic] work after the failed Easter Rising of 1916." That sentence (which is not directly relevant to this article anyway) should not be restored. Scolaire (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strictly speaking the copyvio should be deleted immediately, without allowing time for it to be reworked. It's a copyvio straight of and completely prohibited. Canterbury Tail talk 12:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Away you go, then. Nobody's stopping you. Scolaire (talk) 09:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I finally got a copy of 'The Dynamite War' about this campaign. I will add some information to the article when time permits. Furthermore, I don't think that the Clerkenwell bombing should be included as part of the Dynamite campaign....it was just an attempted jailbreak not part of any larger campaign to force British concessions. Phi O'Byrne (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why Clerkenwell?[edit]

PJN writes:

If this page is about:

The Fenian dynamite campaign (or Fenian bombing campaign) took place in Great Britain from 1881 to 1885 by the Irish Republican Brotherhood (IRB),

Why does it include substantial material concerning the Clerkenwell Prison explosion of 1867. ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.163.103.70 (talk) 06:49, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Originally because it was all that was left after the deletion of content that was in violation of copyright (see above section). Now that we have a timeline of the 1880s campaign, I have removed the irrelevant content concerning Clerkenwell and the Manchester Martyrs. Scolaire (talk) 07:50, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Easter Rising[edit]

The infobox was edited in November to say "O'Donovan Rossa inspires Easter Rising leaders of 1916". The lead was then changed to say "The campaign later inspired the Easter Rising of 1916". The first statement is only partly true; the second is completely untrue. O'Donovan Rossa was an inspirational figure, and his funeral in 1915 was used by the Rising's leaders to inspire the people, but there is no reason to believe that his plan for a bombing campaign in England was the reason for his influence (despite the fact that Tom Clarke was actually involved in that campaign), rather than his involvement in the Fenian Rising, his imprisonment, or his election to Westminster while in prison. Simply put, a bombing campaign in a foreign country does not inspire people to mount a full-scale insurrection at home. It's illogical. It would be one thing to say in Rossa's article that he was an inspiration to the leaders of the Easter Rising (though it doesn't), but in this article it's simply wrong. Scolaire (talk) 09:51, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]