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Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2018[edit]

Change the subject page's title to "Sport Fencing". The subjects referred to on this page are all sport fencing categories, and calling the entire page simply "fencing" is misleading towards all other categories of weapons combat. 24.68.73.9 (talk) 19:46, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:51, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2018[edit]

In section 3.2 Protective clothing, pls change the last sentence of the first para to "However, Kevlar is degraded by both ultraviolet light and chlorine, which can complicate cleaning."

Kevlar does not contain chlorine/chloride. The error was introduced with this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fencing&diff=next&oldid=701196549

I switched the order and added "both" which should prevent this from recurring.

Thx 121.44.184.116 (talk) 03:04, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 05:40, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2019[edit]

I would like to edit an article on fencing because I found a mistake in the gear section that has changed over time. Oliverwachtel (talk) 00:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. DannyS712 (talk) 01:08, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2020[edit]

Remove the redundancy in the lead paragraph. In the second sentence it lists the 3 disciplines being Foil, Epee, and Sabre, but near the end of the paragraph, it reintroduces and relists the 3 disciplines as if we didn't just read them at the beginning of the lead. --Lucas Nicholson (talk) 03:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are the sources written by a diverse spectrum of authors? Do they include historically marginalized individuals where possible?[edit]

As a general reader, there is not any historically marginalized individuals present and there is mostly a focus on the Olympics implementing fencing. I may suggest showing how was used in many ways and was beyond sword-ship. Funmi.Ajani (talk) 16:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)FAjaniFunmi.Ajani (talk) 16:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Fencing is believed to have originated in Spain"[edit]

So we are ignoring all the German and Italian fencing manuals that predate the earliest Spanish works by a long shot? 87.188.173.99 (talk) 17:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Overview of play needed[edit]

I think that this article needs a very short overview of how a fencing match is conducted, near the beginning of the article. It was only when I watched some videos that I discovered that the action stops when one of the fencers makes a touch (as opposed to, say, a timed bout where the fencers can score repeatedly). This is a really fundamental point that helps the reader quickly get a picture of how the sport works. It shouldn't be buried among other details.

No doubt there are subtleties to do with the difference fencing disciplines, but the overview could cover what is common.

As I knew nothing about fencing 20 minutes ago, I'm not qualified to write the overview, but what I had in mind would be something like this (square brackets are where the correct terms need to be inserted) :

"A fencing match or [ ] consists of a sequence of sections called [ ]. Each [ ] lasts until one fencer makes a touch on the other fencer, thereby scoring a point. (What qualifies as a touch depends upon the discipline). The winner is the first fencer to reach a certain number of points [or whatever the system is]."

Macboff (talk) 12:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please add ..[edit]

as a second paragraph, under the Rules subsection ...

After the Olga Kharlan handshaking incident in 2023, the International Fencing Federation changed its rules so that the previously required handshakes between fencers at the end of a bout would become optional, with a distance greeting permitted instead.[1][2] 2603:7000:2101:AA00:B0BF:8283:1FD9:6339 (talk) 07:02, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to suggest adding this to Fencing rules instead but I see you've already done it. I think it's right to keep the Rules section on this article as short as possible given that that page exists. Garnet-Septagon (talk) 13:15, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "FIE agrees to make handshake optional after Kharlan controversy". Inside the Games. 29 July 2023.
  2. ^ "International Fencing Federation decides to cancel mandatory handshake". Ukrainska Pravda. Retrieved 2023-07-29.

HEMA[edit]

Somewhere in the article, maybe just the see also, needs to be mention of Historical European Martial Arts (HEMA) as it is also a sport that evolved from European melee combat. Jasoninkid (talk) 01:58, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Equipment and Techniques sections: TMI?[edit]

The majority of Fencing#Techniques is a simple list of techniques that already exist on Glossary of fencing. I question whether they really add value to this article (WP:TMI), and I suggest removal of the list.

Similarly, Fencing#Electric equipment contains details such as "A body cord consists of three wires known as the A, B, and C lines. At the reel connector (and both connectors for Épée cords) The B pin is in the middle, the A pin is 1.5 cm to one side of B, and the C pin is 2 cm to the other side of B.", as well as a run-through of how the current flows depending on the hit, and lists of equipment. Again I think this is WP:TMI and as per WP:RF doesn't convey information that the vast majority of readers will find useful or interesting. I suggest removing this subsection and putting any essential information into the other parts of Fencing#Equipment, such as mentioning the body wire and noting that only electric weapons can be used in electric fencing.

I do also personally think that Fencing#Protective clothing as a whole is very dry in its current form but don't have any suggestions on how to improve it.

As these would be fairly large changes I wanted to post here instead of just going ahead and doing them. Thoughts welcome. Garnet-Septagon (talk) 14:55, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2023[edit]

Change "within a close enough interval of milliseconds" to "within 300 ms (± 25 ms tolerance)." This is in the foil section. [1] FirefighterTony (talk) 14:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Material Rules, Fédération Internationale d'Escrime, Pg. 84. Aug. 2023. https://static.fie.org/uploads/31/159486-book%20m%20ang.pdf
 Done Maproom (talk) 07:55, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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