Talk:Family tree of Russian monarchs

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There is a typo in the tree: the last name of the first wife of the tsar Alexis I was Miloslavskaya, not Miroslavskaya. 66.245.17.249 (talk) 08:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prod it[edit]

The image should be deleted as it is rife with mistakes (starting with a certain "Helene Komnene" as Vsevolod III's mother) and as Wikipedia is not a genealogical reference book. --Ghirla^-трёп- 19:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The errors can be fixed with ease, although the Komnenos hypothesis is mentioned in the Yuri Dolgoruki article. As for deletion, don't be ridiculous, Wikipedia has hundreds of family trees of similar proportions to this one, i. e. showing the passage of a title through the dynasties. --Mark J (talk) 09:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I take issue with the ending of the geneology page wherein it refers to the "abdication" of the Romanovs, also the note that Russia became a "socialist republic." It is well known what occured in Ekaterinburg at the hands of Lenin and Trotsky, and that qualifies more as a forced removal than abdication I think. A criminal can claim a victim "voluntarily" handed over his wallet, and even make the victim state it as well, but it changes nothing. There was nothing socialist or republic in nature as to the "government" that Lenin and Trotsky inflicted on Russia; it was a communist dictatorship, as any cursory reading of Robert Payne in "The Life and Death of Lenin" would attest. These are not minor details, and putting a soft face on tragic occurences does not make them more palatable or respectable.~~Hitcharide~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitcharide (talk • contribs) 00:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um... refresh your knowledge of Russian history. Yes, they all got assasinated at the hands of the Bolsheviks in 1918, but Tsar Nicolas II had abdicated in March 1917 (February Revolution)... hence the Provisional Government coming to power (Republic) until the October Revolution. - JVG (talk) 01:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Missing foreign ancestors[edit]

I don't understand... This article gives you the impression, that Nicolas ii is a full-blooded Russian, all the namees of his ancestors are russian here. But if you look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestors_of_Nicholas_II_of_Russia it becomes obvious that tsar Nicolas ii and the entire russian royal tree is the product of foreign, non-russian ancestors. --KpoT (talk) 21:52, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is a mistake in the Romanov table. Ivan IV had 5 daughters, but one was Empress Anna and another was CATHERINE, who married the Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin. Catherines's daughter was Anna Leopoldovna. But it is wrongly shown in the table as though Empress Anna and Anna Leopoldovna were sisters (Two sisters with same name!!) which is wrong. Please correct it.[edit]

Error in date[edit]

Nicholas Nikolaevich died in 1891, not 1881 as shown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleksei Ivanovich (talk • contribs) 16:16, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Romanov family tree[edit]

Hi, There is an error in the Romanov family tree picture. Ivan IV had three daughters who survived to adulthood, including Empress Anna of Russia and Tsarevna Catherine Ivanovna of Russia. Catherine's only daughter was Grand Duchess Anna Leopoldovna of Russia, mother of Ivan VI of Russia. But in your figure, Catherine is not found at all, and it is shown as though the two women named Anna (Empress Anna and Anna Leopoldovna) are sisters to each other. They were actually aunt and niece to each other. Please correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.156.129 (talk) 16:52, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Errors[edit]

Five years of talking and no corrections. JPGs look good but it is hard to modify them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.87.138.36 (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Natalie Brasova and Michael of Russia need to be switched.[edit]

Michael was the child of Alexander III and Maria, not Natalia. They simply need to be swapped around. I lack the skills to amend this family trees without damaging its integrity. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scotty1141 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Peter II in the wrong place[edit]

Peter II was the grandson of Peter the Great (son of his son Alexis from his first marriage), but this tree shows him as the son of Peter the Great from his second marriage (to Catherine I). Mathmannix (talk) 15:29, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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WP:UNSOURCED and WP:OR[edit]

This article is currently unsourced, and may contain WP:OR. What are we going to do with it? I could try and see which bits and pieces I could support based on Martin, Janet (2007). Medieval Russia: 980–1584. Second Edition. E-book. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-511-36800-4., but she only ever provides partial family trees of 3 or 4 generations, e.g. Table 2.1 Prince Vladimir and his sons on page 28. In fact, I've already created Template:Yurievichi connection Moscow Novgorod-Suzdal Tver based on pages 177 and 200. But there are many doubts and fabrications in "Rurikid" genealogies:

Many issues are mentioned in Rurikids#Genealogical issues such as whether Rurik himself even existed; this is one of the reasons Template:Rurik was recently deleted;
Who was the father of Sviatopolk I of Kiev, and whether Boris and Gleb were related to Volodimer I at all or that this is a later invention; the article Family life and children of Vladimir I already seeks to address these issues, and contains several short family trees;
Etc.

It might just be better to delete this article, or split it up in smaller trees that can actually be found in WP:RS such as Martin 2007? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:21, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can just use dashed lines instead, to show that the existence is questioned but they are still included, at least "according to tradition". I have seen trees in some sources with something similar to this, I will take a look to see if I can find something to cite. Mellk (talk) 19:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mellk Okay. As you and I recently agreed on Template:Princely branches of Kiev 1019 to 1169, for the inclusion in Sack of Kiev (1169)#Overview of princely branches of Kiev, there is now one more example of a partial (and highly selective) tree that can be supported by reliable sources, and is useful in practice to illustrate how everyone involved in a series of dynastic conflicts was genealogically related to each other. I think something like this could be the way forward. We create partial, selective family trees for inclusion in specific articles, and will put the reliable sources in the template documentation to guard against original research. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:40, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are RS, I have added a few, but I could not really find any good English-language sources with such trees. Mellk (talk) 17:35, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]