Talk:Falsehood in War-Time

	Books portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Books. To participate in the project, please visit its page, where you can join the project and discuss matters related to book articles. To use this banner, please refer to the documentation. To improve this article, please refer to the relevant guideline for the type of work.BooksWikipedia:WikiProject BooksTemplate:WikiProject BooksBook articles
	This article has been marked as needing an infobox.
	It is requested that a picture or pictures be included in this article to improve its quality.

Military history: World War I

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	World War I task force

Media

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Media, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Media on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MediaWikipedia:WikiProject MediaTemplate:WikiProject MediaMedia articles

???

This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Media To-do List:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Mackay Radio
Cleanup : Media influence, Video game culture, Sound bite
NPOV : Content (media and publishing)
Verify : Multimedia, Alternative media, Alternative newspaper
Other :
- Answer requests for comments

Notability[edit]

This book currently failsto satisfy WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK, at least based on the eleven current footnotes, which don't appear to establish notability. NBOOK #1 is 50% satisfied, based on note 7, referring to Morelli's book, which is a full-length treatment of Ponsnoby's book and ideas. Wrt the other footnotes, my reading of their applicability to notability is as follows:

yes: 7 (but insufficient on its own to establish notability)
no: 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11

Grouping them by applicability, we have:

YES
- Note 7 is an in-depth treatment of Ponsonby's book; this very clearly fits in WP:BOOKCRIT #1, and we only need one more like this to establish NBOOK notability.
NO
- refer to the book itself (1, 4, 5, 9);
- are not INDEPENDENT (note 8, also from Anne Morelli's book, from which dozens or hundreds of notes about Ponsonby's could be found)
- are dead links (2, 3)
- appear to be passing mentions:
  - note 6 (Horne 2001), supposedly about the reaction of the German Foreign Ministry to translating the book, but no url is given. I suspect this is a minor passing mention about a translation, as it does not rate a footnote in that book: here is page 548, containing all the footnotes for pages 373-375, but nothing about the German Foreign Ministry, or translations is listed there.
  - Note 10, which is from Gregory (2009) and contains a two-paragraph quote from Ponsonsby, and two paragraphs of commentary on it on pages 43-44; this fails BOOKCRIT #1.
- no mention?: Note 11 is found in the § Quotations section, and cites "Presidents, Battles, and Must-See Civil War Destinations: Exploring a Kentucky Divided" (or at Google id IR7UDwAAQBAJ) without giving a page number. I don't see what the connection is between this book and Ponsonby's. Gregory (2009) is available in full-text (searchable/readable) from Hoopla Digital; I browsed/searched around, and didn't find anything useful.

It's possible additional sources could be found to fulfill BOOKCRIT #1; try some of these:

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

but if not, this article should be submitted to Afd. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The timing of trying to remove this makes it very suspect, the book is as relevant as seldom before. It's part of a historical record that whole governments would want to see erased from awareness.

That alone should make it notable, it's creepy how a very obvious commercial poweruser, editing across 9 different languages, is requesting removal of it. 2003:F8:740:E900:6853:ABE:C099:F834 (talk) 16:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]