Talk:Fade (audio engineering)

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Fadeouts[edit]

There's no article on fade-outs but there probably should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.75.127 (talk • contribs) 08:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lefebvre[edit]

Does anyone know where these incomplete references such as "Henri Lefebvre (1971a:19)" are referring to?

Coleopterous 00:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fader programs for AOL chatrooms[edit]

I think a small explanation on these types of programs is nessesary... Just a "do not forget" precaution.75.82.153.11 07:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weird quote removed from the article[edit]

I removed this quote today because it seems to be only peripherally relevant to a scientific article on fading.

"For Henri Lefebvre (1971a:19), 'everyday life in the modern world' is a privileged site for the crucial fact of recurrence. The question of how to end a song now becomes pressing. The answer, often, is not to end: the harmonically inconclusive or artificially abrupt finish, or - quintessentially - the fade. As Sean Cubitt points out (1984: 210), this refers us to the activity of the auditor, with whom lies the only available fulfillment...[It] pledges that the performer...has an existence beyond the recording...This refusal of completion refers us, not back into the song, as is the case with the classic aesthetic object but outwards to the ways in which the song is heard.

"At the meta-song level, the prevalence of pre-taped sequences (for shops, pubs, parties, concert intervals, aircraft headsets) emphasizes the importance of flow. The effect on radio pop programme form [is] a stress on continuity achieved through the use of fades, voice-over links, twin-turntable mixing and connecting jingles."

As I said in the edit summary, if anyone feels strongly that it should be in there, please do put it back; but – just an idea – perhaps a clearer paraphrase of what it actually means would be better... Smalljim 14:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here it is, over six years later, Smalljim, and that same meandering, inadequately sourced passage has been re-inserted. You were not the first to wonder about. Prior to you, User:Coleopterous expressed similar sentiments in this talk page. I am going to re-instate the changes you made. I found the book from which the sources were cited, Studying Popular Music, by R. Middleton (1990). They are footnotes to difficult to track down sources in the book e.g. Sean Cubitt (1984) refers to an article in Popular Music, titled, 'Maybelline'. If the individual who inserted the passage originally wants to adequately source it, fine, but I'm doubtful as to the appropriateness of those passages for an audio engineering article, e.g. he other one, by Lefebrve, was from 1971, in French, 'Musique et sémioligie', Musique en Jeu, 1971.

Some of the other sources are very good, but not fully used, in the form of inline citations in the article. I would suggest that anyone inclined to do so, who knows more about the subject matter, may wish to draw upon what is here already, e.g. the Rane page which was originally an article in a publication, all properly referenced. --FeralOink (talk) 14:40, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping. I've only taken a quick glance at this, but I don't feel so strongly about it now: it has a citation and seems to fit reasonably well into the expanded article – when I removed it from the predominantly scientific stubby article of the time it stuck out badly. I'd say that the normal process of consensus-forming among those now interested in the topic (not me, I'm afraid) should decide its fate. Though I'd still suggest, as I did six years ago(!), that if it stays it would be better paraphrased, especially if it's one long quote from Middleton. HTH. —SMALL JIM 20:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Correction[edit]

The Beatles song Eight Days A Week does fade in but it does not fade out. It has a cold ending. 65.12.253.48 (talk) 01:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why do these songs fade out?[edit]

Here are a few rock songs that fade out but could easily end cold:

The Beatles:

    Things We Said Today
    I'll Be Back

10CC:

    The Things We Do For Love

Then there are a couple of songs that one artist chose to fade but another gave a cold ending:

Sealed With a Kiss: Cold ending by Brian Hyland but faded out by Bobby Vinton in the remake.

Love Potion No. 9: Faded out by the Clovers but cold-ended by the Searchers.

Here's the clincher for a song with no excuse for a fade-out: George Harrison's My Sweet Lord. In the studio All Things Must Pass version, he does not resolve the closing phrase; he just repeats and fades it out. The live Bangla Desh concert version has a much more desirable resolution and cold ending. 65.12.253.48 (talk) 01:46, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fader as a noun[edit]

Many topics inside this article talk about the signal flow of a mixing console (also referred to as a mixing desk by European audio engineers.). Additionally, there are other topics on the requested topic list (e.g. pan pot) that could be redirected here. I think the verb 'fade' as in to fade or to crossfade - should be a different article than the noun fader, which is a in integral part of a mixer. But whatever makes for a better reading/reference experience is all I care about. Thoughts? Greenshinobi (talk) 22:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)Greenshinobi[reply]

Yes, there is room on Wikipedia for an article about the fader itself. Binksternet (talk) 22:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

Do we realy need citations on the songs that have fade-ins or fade-outs? It's a fact that anyone can check just listening to the song. Besides, I don't know where to get those citations, anyways. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Conradodl (talk • contribs) 18:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Right?! I mean come on now, it's just using your ears. Should we link to the songs somehow or something? 70.162.83.144 (talk) 23:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)Ben[reply]

Open the Door, Richard![edit]

It's a pity the article doesn't mention the very popular 1947 song "Open the Door, Richard!" as using a fade-out. The song is about a bunch of drunks coming home, with no keys to get in, and yelling for Richard, presumably inside sleeping, to wake up and let them in. At the end they give up and walk away, and the song fades out to reflect that. If I could find my copy of the book which says it was the first popular use of the fade-out I'd add this info and cite the book - I think it was "What was the First Rock and Roll Record", an in-depth discussion of 50 songs from 1944 to 1956. Joel Whitburn's Pop Memories 1890-1954 book lists seven versions of this song making the Top 10 that year.

PatConolly (talk) 00:55, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]