Talk:Exessive case

Wikify[edit]

No sources sited as to where this information comes from. I'm sure it's all true, and there is a literature section for a book... however, no sources sited in the usual manner. Pardon me if I'm out of line here. I think this is the first time I've commented on a language page like this. Is this the way these articles are handled in Wikipedia? It's an ok format; just isn't the usual that I see on here as properly wikified. SadanYagci 23:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When there is no references, it should be tagged with {{unref}}. -- Whpq 04:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Locative -> separative?[edit]

I'm sorry if I didn't understand the part correctly, but why is it that the article mentions the locative case (which in this case would be "takana", behind) and then gives an example of the separative case ("takaa", from behind)? I didn't dare change it straight away, because I really am not sure if I understood the text. At any rate that part is confusing. cnaa 11:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This may be a bit late, but I thought I should try to clear this up. The article doesn't really mention the locative case (although there's a link there for some reason), but rather the locative ('location-related') meaning of this case, as opposed to the stative ('state-related') meaning demonstrated by the example tärähtäneentä terveeksi 'from loony to sane'. brtkrbzhnv (talk) 10:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

sp. : exessive case article heading[edit]

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"excessive case is a grammatical case" on google search

which is the correct spelling "excessive" or "excessive" ?66.74.176.59 (talk) 19:20, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In someone's haste--but you are forgiven for that common trait. Maybe, you do not recognize the potential seriousness of this question. I cannot change something that I am not capable of doing so. article: "Exessive case". on a google search I find nothing concerning grammar and the subject but do with }}"excessive case is a grammatical case". Either this is something that has the wrong heading or something that I have yet to encounter in writing. Is the proper title ""Exessive case" or "Excessive case"? And can someone with the skill set and ability change it if needed?66.74.176.59 (talk) 00:08, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Googling "exessive case finnish" brings up a couple of sources about it, so it appears to be the correct spelling. Stickee (talk) 00:20, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is a book on grammar that uses "exessive". Huon (talk) 00:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

With a moment's consideration of the names of the related Finnish cases 'essive', 'adessive', 'inessive', all based on the Latin root 'esse(re)' to be, rather than on 'cedere', 'ex-essive' is clearly correct. Acasson (talk) 20:55, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources[edit]

Dear fellow editors,
The exessive is not included as a case in Fred Karlsson's grammar (2018), nor is it even mentioned there as a rare form of historical case ending.^[1] However, I found it mentioned in detail in two online sources: by Jukka K. Korpela in his ebook Handbook of Finnish (undated),^[2] and by Jaakko Anhava in his article in Studia Orientalia (2010).^[3] I would therefore propose that we consider adding these two sources into the article, thus enabling us to remove the {{unreferenced}} template.
With kind regards:
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^(talk)^(guestbook) 11:26, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Karlsson, Fred (2018). Finnish - A Comprehensive Grammar. London and New York: Routledge. ISBN 978-1-138-82104-0.
^ Korpela, Jukka K. "93. Constructs sometimes regarded as cases". Handbook of Finnish. Turku: Suomen E-painos Oy. p. 332. ISBN 978-9-5266-1334-5. Retrieved April 15, 2019. Sometimes a case, exessive, with an ending ntA (combined from the ending nA of essive and tA of partitive) is suggested, meaning "from the role of", thus making the system of locational cases more orthogonal. It is used in a few dialects, though often in a few words only, e.g. using luonta instead ... {{cite book}}: |website= ignored (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
^ Anhava, Jaakko (2010). "Criteria for case forms in Finnish and Hungarian grammars" (PDF). journal.fi. Studia Orientalia. pp. 241–242. Retrieved April 15, 2019. A rare case form attested in some dialects of Finnish is the exessive, -nta/-ntä; it has developed on the basis of the historical separative case -ta/-tä (which is also the origin of the contemporary Finnish partitive case, which has changed from its historical local meaning into a grammatical case) and has been used in roughly the same meaning: luonta "from the vicinity of", takanta "from behind". The form is relatively young, which can be seen from the fact that it does not take part in Finnish consonantal gradation of stops (takanta, never *taanta – although taakse "(to) behind" where the gradation does take place). In contrast to the Estonian terminative, neither the exessive nor the above-mentioned prolative have become productive case endings in any Finnic language.

[FK2018-1] Karlsson, Fred (2018). Finnish - A Comprehensive Grammar. London and New York: Routledge. ISBN 978-1-138-82104-0.

[JKHandbook-2] Korpela, Jukka K. "93. Constructs sometimes regarded as cases". Handbook of Finnish. Turku: Suomen E-painos Oy. p. 332. ISBN 978-9-5266-1334-5. Retrieved April 15, 2019. Sometimes a case, exessive, with an ending ntA (combined from the ending nA of essive and tA of partitive) is suggested, meaning "from the role of", thus making the system of locational cases more orthogonal. It is used in a few dialects, though often in a few words only, e.g. using luonta instead ... {{cite book}}: |website= ignored (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

[JAnhavaPDF-3] Anhava, Jaakko (2010). "Criteria for case forms in Finnish and Hungarian grammars" (PDF). journal.fi. Studia Orientalia. pp. 241–242. Retrieved April 15, 2019. A rare case form attested in some dialects of Finnish is the exessive, -nta/-ntä; it has developed on the basis of the historical separative case -ta/-tä (which is also the origin of the contemporary Finnish partitive case, which has changed from its historical local meaning into a grammatical case) and has been used in roughly the same meaning: luonta "from the vicinity of", takanta "from behind". The form is relatively young, which can be seen from the fact that it does not take part in Finnish consonantal gradation of stops (takanta, never *taanta – although taakse "(to) behind" where the gradation does take place). In contrast to the Estonian terminative, neither the exessive nor the above-mentioned prolative have become productive case endings in any Finnic language.

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