Talk:Emperor Wu of Han

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Legacy[edit]

I retitled the section 'Impact on history' as 'Legacy' and rewrote it. Bo Yang's comment on Emperor Wu's sexual fetish at castrating was removed, as it appears to me speculation by a single historian on a matter of minor importance doesn't belong to an encyclopedia acticle. The two sentences discussion on Confucianism's pros and cons was also removed, IMHO it's oversimplified and the discussion should be in the main Confucianism acticle anyway. --geckotheside, 20 sep 2005

"Created"[edit]

Miborovsky, your assertion that "created" is grammatically wrong is incorrect. Please see, for example, Prince Charles#Created Prince of Wales. "Create" is the right verb for this. If you have some better reason than it being "grammatically correct" (and please note, for example, your assertion that it is grammatically incorrect would make nearly every single historian who writes on the subject to be grammatically incorrect), please state it now, rather than simply changing all of the instances of the verb "create" again. --Nlu 07:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please also see, for example, [1]. I trust that if you are going to assert again that it's grammatically incorrect, that you'd have some authority to state that Merriam-Webster is incorrect. --Nlu 07:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, but you could do away with the sarcasm. --Miborovsky 22:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest removing Copyedit tag[edit]

I came to this article from the Copyedit list, it appears to me that the issues that led to it being tagged have been resolved, I suggest removing the tag. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SailorfromNH (talk • contribs) .

It was tagged by Jiang to try to improve it further. I do think that it looks fine now, but I'd like somebody else to take another look at it as well. Do you feel confident enough to remove the tag? --Nlu 02:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Great[edit]

The first sentence of the article has his name as "The Great Emperor Wu of Han", but the title in Chinese is just 漢武帝, which is Emperor (帝) Wu (武) of Han (漢). No great. I've seen him referred to in translation as "The Filial Emperor Wu", but never "the Great". Where does this come from? siafu (talk) 02:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your voice! Emperor Wu actually is not great. He mentioned as a mediocre selfish rich playboy like 乾隆. He made thought clamping to the Chinese. He is one of the disgusting rulers in Chángjiāng Huánghé Basin. In my opinion, The only emperor who may own the title of the great in Chángjiāng Huánghé Basin is 唐太宗. imchineseKim (talk) 11:04, 5 Sep 2019 (UTC -8)

My edit[edit]

Don't tell me you guys put Marco Polo as 馬可波羅 (Makuh Boluo) . Kuebie (talk) 05:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

merge proposal[edit]

I have added a merge proposal on this article. It seems reasonable to merge the quite short article Literature contributions of Emperor Wu of Han into this article. "Emperor Wu of Han" is not an overly long article, so adding the information is no problem, in my opinion. Splitting off articles is, in my opinion, only useful when the primary article becomes too long or when the new article is very detailed and out of line with the original. Both don't seem to be the case here, hence my merge proposal. Night of the Big Wind talk 22:40, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That article is just a stub, it should be merged. It would be another story if a section was considerable large enough to warrant splitting it in a seperate article, which will not be the case for quite a while. --Cold Season (talk) 23:54, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures[edit]

How come the main pic (a reproduction) does not coincide with the original pics below which show the always talked about black Chinese? Since China themselves say that most of their DNA is African, how does that main pic of the emperor make it as THE pic as opposed to the real deal below? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.197.169 (talk) 06:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reign dates[edit]

Due to a student doing a class assignment requiring him to use their textbook, we now have 2 reign dates in the article. In fact, I think this probably represents a disagreement within the sources and we should show that. Doug Weller (talk) 10:01, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Map Translation[edit]

This being English Wikipedia, can't someone who is good with maps and editing, translate the map on this page. I'd like to know who all's there with Han China at this time, but it's all in Chinese. 

Sixshooter501 (talk) 13:58, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Missing full refs and other issues[edit]

Hi all, I wanted to start a maintenance job on this page by adding links from short footnotes to their full references, removing doubles full refs, etc. Unfortunately there are some issues that can be resolved only by editors acquainted with the matter on hand, and I am not.

  • Barfield 1981, 58 (note 17). Does the short note refer to the book by the same author in "Sources"? Unfortunately the publication years do not match.
  • Han Shu (notes 27,32,33). I suppose it's about the Book of Han. Is there an English translation that can be referenced to?
  • 漢武故事 (note 29). Is it possible to add some more information about this entry?
  • Zizhi Tongjian (notes 30 & 35). I suppose it's about the book by Sima Guang, which in "Sources" presents a range of years of publication. Is it possible to get a year of publication for each referenced volume (7, 17 and 22)?
  • Zhao Yi's 廿二史劄記, vol. 3 (note 34). Some more information (English translation with year of publication, or, at least, the English translation of the title)?

Thanks for any help. Carlotm (talk) 00:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of Wu of Jin?[edit]

The current image used in the main section to illustrate Emperor Wu of Han (r.141-87 BCE) is practically identical to the image of the later Emperor Wu of Jin (r.236-290 CE). The latter is identified as taken from the Tang era scroll of twelve emperors. What is the source of the former from? Is this an error? Mistaken identity? Walrasiad (talk) 20:26, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is certainly not identical in anything more than the general elements of the painting, and most emperors of the Tang scroll are presented that way. Both portraits are completely imaginary and there are no contemporary likenesses for any Han emperors, so I don't know that it really matters. I would personally prefer his portrait from the Sancai Tuhui for the lead image, or maybe an early Tang depiction, but eh. Aza24 (talk) 21:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Wu of Han is represented on the Tang scroll. Imaginary or not, the identification of who the artist intended to represent should at least be correct. I am just wondering if this identification was just an error in a file name by an uploader, and that it might be meant to represent a different emperor Wu. Unfortunately, I am having trouble finding the original provenance of this picture to verify that. Does anybody know where this comes from? Can they confirm the identification is correct? In light of doubt, I'd prefer to go with either of the other portraits you propose. Walrasiad (talk) 06:24, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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