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Thank you for the fixed link Cocoablini (talk). 16:30, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

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I replaced with another image from Wikimedia Commons Cocoablini (talk). 21:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

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This has been discussed. This was a publicity image take for USTA, Yale, architects and engineers at time of construction. It's source is unknown but the image is in my possession. Cocoablini (talk). 21:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Physical possession, to clarify Cocoablini (talk). 21:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

May I remove the template that says author has a "close connection" to subject?

I am not related to Edward Larrabee Barnes. I am doing research, with his son John Barnes and others, and cleaning up the terrible work someone did previous to me including using bad images, copy-written images and cut and paste info from NYTimes. All subjective content is mostly taken from historical point of view, which is corroborated by major newspapers, the AIA and other sources that understand his importance in architecture-including spin-off firms and success stories. Cocoablini (talk). 21:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

I see the comment. Interviewed the son, he is not a contributer nor does he have a wiki account except for errors and clarifications. His input was about the removal of projects that he didn't work on Cocoablini (talk). 21:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cocoablini, you appear to be a new editor, so I want to make sure you are aware that the COIN noticeboard is available to help determine whether a COI exists for an article. I am also pinging Possibly, who has experience with the noticeboard and may be able to offer more insight and guidance on this situation. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 15:54, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Fine by me. @Cocoablini: if you add more material, please be sure it all comes with sources.The article contains a lot of unsourced material. --- Possibly ☎ 17:03, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly and Beccaynr:. Per his Commons contributions, Cocoablini has identified himself as "Justin Lee." On his own talk page he has repeatedly referenced images he has uploaded as being "owned by [his] Father." The user's first edit to the page involved adding "John Ming Yee Lee" to the list of Barnes' partners and he has repeatedly edited Civic Center (Shenzhen) with edit summaries including "Spoke to architect." In light of these facts, I think an ostensible COI connection to Barnes (and John Ming Yee Lee at the very least) is clear. Please let me know if you disagree.Filetime (talk) 17:36, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

As an initial matter, Filetime, I am concerned about the lack of discussion on the article Talk page after Cocoablini posted about it, up until now, and how there appears to be nothing in the edit history of this article indicating this particular concern. I also think it is important to remember communicating with newcomers patiently and thoroughly is integral to ensure they stay on Wikipedia and ultimately contribute in a constructive manner. I only see you providing a final warning about this article on Cocoablini's Talk page, as well as you posting an unsigned edit warring warning [1]. My hope is that there is a more constructive way to discuss this going forward. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 17:57, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I am happy to cite more sources, but I have used the Rizzoli book, the LATime and NYTimes to address some of the information provided by me. Images I added in the gallery were existing images and I removed some works that are not designed by Barnes(or he had very little to do with and his son said that was not his work.) I assume this would be considered good journalism to talk to relatives who are related to Barnes, as I am not. What really confuses me is that an editor can come in and revert additive information without discussion and ruin hours of work on my part-information that is or can be recited many times with the same catalog of his work(Rizzoli). The first building, for instance, is not a Barnes building at all and I removed it. I have never seen that building attributed to Barnes and doesn't look like his work. Cocoablini (talk). 18:36, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I think the key is discussed in the reliable sources guideline, including about how Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, with an emphasis on published. This is related to the policy that Wikipedia articles must not contain original research, which includes facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist, although do note footnote a, which includes Articles that currently name zero references of any type may be fully compliant with this policy—so long as there is a reasonable expectation that every bit of material is supported by a published, reliable source. The original research policy is related to the verifiability policy, which includes, Even if you are sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it, and footnote 1 refers to the essay Verifiability, not truth, which further discusses the policy. I think it takes time to adapt to the Wikipedia style of writing, and I am sorry there has not been more discussion with you about your good faith contributions to the encyclopedia. Please feel free to ask questions at my Talk page, and please note that the Teahouse is another forum that is available for questions. Beccaynr (talk) 19:00, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Speaking to the source of the content, or the subject IS journalism. It's called an interview. I am being harassed now with petty notifications of deletions, un-cited reasons why and total abuse of the system. I have provided additive comments and images and reordered timelines. A full revert of my work, with no notice as well. That is unprofessional and doesn't help get more valuable content on Wikipedia. The warring warning was ridiculous. I just added an image and replaced another that was cited as not being a barnes building. Cocoablini (talk). 19:04, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

This is correct attribution to the Partner of the Barnes office. John Lee is the Cobb to I.M.Pei and is an FAIA awarded architect and critical member of the AIA community, which was cited in various places. It's not unfactual information and these building were specifically designed by Lee, the primary partner and name of the firm after 1983Cocoablini (talk). 19:09, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

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This is a one of a kind image, does not exist on the internet and was given to Wikimedia commons by me. I am not sure where the concern comes from? Cocoablini (talk). 18:29, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Cocoablini, please follow the link to the image for more information about the concern, and where to discuss it further (the nomination page). Beccaynr (talk) 18:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Indianapolis Museum of Art, 1969 Is not a Barnes building

The link even says this why I go to it, which is why I removed it 2 days ago. It is not cited as a Barnes building in any documentation I have and I would like to remove it. I replaced it with a Barnes building and it was reverted again. Cocoablini (talk). 19:17, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

this image is designed by Ambrose Madison Richardson and not Barnes' work. Anybody genius out there fact check that? Cocoablini (talk). 22:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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So where does it say how big a gallery is or what is not appropriate...like where are the rules?

The subject architect has dozens of famous buildings...which are considered a visual aesthetic and worthy of a gallery. I looked here," Wikipedia:Image use policy#Image galleries" and Filetime said it was not "appropriate." I would like to see the citation that claims that a gallery is x rows and y columns or what is abuse of gallery space. Most images are from Wikipedia Commons to boot. And to add to that lack of citation, he/she/whatever blows away the change without warning. Didn't ask for citation. Didn't add to discussion board. Just reverted it. So if anybody ever asks me why Wikipedia is trash, here's a great example Cocoablini (talk). 00:18, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

WP:GALLERY: "In articles that have several images, they are typically placed individually near the relevant text (see MOS:IMAGELOCATION). Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the below paragraphs or moved to Wikimedia Commons." A gallery on this sort of page should include a curated and modestly sized collection of an architect's most representative or notable projects. It is not meant to be an exhaustive collection of all the architect's works. Filetime (talk) 00:30, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

121 South Main Street, 1984 link goes...where????

This is the Old Stone bank Building. The link provided goes to a school???Cocoablini (talk). 01:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Wikipedia Moderators are all compromised and a COI nightmare. How many massages and hookers do you get?Cocoablini (talk). 01:43, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/12/02/wikipedia-has-a-ton-of-money-so-why-is-it-begging-you-to-donate-yours/?noredirect=on Cocoablini (talk). 01:43, 29 September 2021 (UTC)