Talk:Ecco2K

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Note: Since Ecco2K's work is heavily associated with Drain Gang, I've focused mostly on his solo work and commentary surrounding it; more specific information is likely better added to the Drain Gang article or Ecco2K's album articles.

Short description: Swedish-British designer, visual artist, and rapper

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picture of bladee[edit]

Why is there a picture of bladee in an article about Ecco2k? Can we change that? ByAnyMeansNeccesary1 (talk) 23:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ByAnyMeansNeccesary1: There are no free images of Ecco2K that can be uploaded on Wikimedia Commons, but there are free images of Bladee, and Bladee is relevant to the article.

Many people try to upload copyrighted images to Commons of Ecco2K, which are always deleted. Skyshiftertalk 00:06, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't quite understand. Are pictures of his on instagram copywrited? Didn't know that was how that worked but thank you for clarifying that, ByAnyMeansNeccesary1 (talk) 20:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ByAnyMeansNeccesary1: Yes, they are copyrighted, as most social media images are, unless the images explicitly have a valid Creative Commons license. Skyshiftertalk 21:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saying Ecco was "presenting as female" seems quite a stretch.[edit]

I feel like this misses the point of the LGBTQ+ themes in Ecco's work. Stating that Ecco's fashion and image disrupt gender norms in a broad, queer manner is one perspective, but asserting a definitive "presenting as female" identity lacks substantial evidence and appears presumptuous. The bio's rigid description overlooks Ecco's quasi-ambiguous exploration of such themes. Ecco's self-identification and romantic preferences have never been publicly stated, so I don't think it seems suitable to so flagrantly state a possibly erroneous fact. Hence, a broader term like 'queer' may better encapsulate its essence.

Overall, this seems like somene trying to mold Ecco's image into what they themselves believe it to be – and not what can actually be meaningfully deducted from a mere music video.o Would anyone have any objections to the removal of this specific statement? TVKR (talk) 23:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TVKR: Well, the article doesn't state that Ecco2K presents as female in general (which is what your comment seems to imply, unless I interpreted it wrong). It only states that Ecco2K presented as female specifically for the "Amygdala" music video. This is sourced to the 032c magazine article about Drain Gang, which states: "Ecco2K presents as female in the music video for 'Amygdala'". Skyshiftertalk 23:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Skyshifter To clarify, I believe the statement in the article is quite divisive (neither Ecco himself or any other sources mention the matter afaik), and personally I think it's too reductionist in general. I believe, in regard to Amygdala in particular, it would be more appropriate to say something along the lines of how gender is presented as a whole, considering gender non-conformity and a cis gender identity are not mutually exclusive, thereby meaning that they may not be strictly female presenting.

Objectively, it may not be in the best interests of the article to include an overly simplified tidbit without a larger view of the topic in general. TVKR (talk) 02:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem too specific. I've removed that sentence. Skyshiftertalk 02:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Queer themes"[edit]

I removed the section that claimed that Bladee and Ecco2K have incorporated "queer themes" into their work. The article doesn't describe how they did that, nor include confirmation from the artists how they did that, nor provide examples. -AndreyKva (talk) 03:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It does provide an example — Ecco2K's presentation in "Amygdala". The article had a sentence saying that, which was removed right before your edit, as you can see in the section above. Either way, I've now added attribution to the author. Skyshiftertalk 03:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I edited the section to remove the things about Bladee and the LGBT fans as that isn't reliable or verifiable. I left in that it is that writer's opinion that Arogundade has incorporated queer themes into his work and how the writer cited the "Amygdala" music video. AndreyKva (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good. However, I don't think it's fair to completely remove the sentence about Drain Gang's LGBT listenership. I've added it back in a slighly reduced manner and attributed. Skyshiftertalk 04:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the section looks good now. Thank you. - AndreyKva (talk) 04:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]