Talk:Eccles Snowden

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 18:19, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

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• Robert Snowden (politician) → Robert Snowden
• Currently a redirect to Robert Snoden. No other pages of this name. Frickeg (talk) 00:34, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
• The bishop is also known as Robert Snowden, Snoden is just a variant spelling, in fact Snowden is more usual. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
• The bishop is Robert Snoden or Robert Snowden. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:19, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• And yet the page is at Robert Snoden. A redirect should not take precedence over an actual page. Obviously there would be a hatnote on the page at Robert Snowden. If Snowden is the more usual spelling for the bishop, then a disambiguation page would be in order. Frickeg (talk) 10:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
  • No, a disambiguation page is not needed per WP:TWODABS. What is needed is a disambiguation hatnote on the Robert Snoden page which I will add now. —  AjaxSmack  14:44, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
    • That's the point, though, WP:TWODABS doesn't apply because there is no page at "Robert Snowden" - it's a redirect. IF the bishop is better known as Snowden rather than Snoden, then I would have no problem with the hatnote - but the bishop should be moved to "Robert Snowden". I defer to the apparent knowledge of others about the bishop being the primary topic, although both pages are stubs at the moment and both seem to be fairly minor individuals. Frickeg (talk) 22:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

No, sorry but this is not such an uncommon occurence, the bishop is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for both "Robert Snoden" and "Robert Snowden", the Australian politician is just not that notable. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:44, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

This is even noted in a specific section of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, namely WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: Redirecting to a primary topic. Cf. the examples there and other such as Siam. —  AjaxSmack  03:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, OK. I have one more question. (Sorry. I know I'm being a pain.) Is it really so indisputable that the bishop is the primary topic? I'm genuinely asking here. I know the Australian politician is not hugely notable, but, well, the bishop page is a stub too. This question comes from ignorance as I know little about medieval bishops, but from looking at merely the pages I see two people who both held offices that grant them inherent notability and didn't do a whole lot else (that we've yet recorded)? Frickeg (talk) 09:04, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

No, not a pain. A good question. None of the opposers has/have presented a case. —  AjaxSmack  01:53, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - in this case a redirect can and should take precedence over an actual page, why not? The Australian politician is not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the bishop is, at both spellings. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:31, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per In ictu oculi and AjaxSmack, who has solved the issue with a redirect. bd2412 T 15:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose: This person does not seem to be the primary topic for the term "Robert Snowden", per IIO and Anthony Appleyard above. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

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