Talk:East St. Louis massacre

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This needs more substantiation in terms of historical rather than journalistic accounts. We know it happened, and it deserves to have more facts in the account, especially in the background. It was a labor as well as racially motivated riot.--Parkwells 15:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Per another journalistic account the trial of Dr. Bundy discussed in the last section of the article took place in Waterloo, IL at the Monroe County Courthouse, not in St. Clair County as stated. Source: Waterloo Republic-Times May 8, 2019. Terrybeq (talk) 19:15, 17 July 2019 (UTC)terrybeq

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Relevant Information?

This is an interesting and important article. It is important for obvious reasons, but particularly interesting given the fact that St. Louis did not witness any rioting when later race riots flourished into and throughout the Civil Rights Era. Do the key authors cited ever mention this fact? Is this pertinent information for the page? --Kenneth M Burke (talk) 16:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

As of 2007... worst case in 20th century? That's contradictory, as 2007 isn't in the 20th century Eugenides (talk) 00:26, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Is this new history? Why does the account presented in this article not match with that found in any history books or traditional encyclopedias? 92.251.237.33 (talk) 06:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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Coordinates are based on "East St. Louis riot interactive map".. GeorgeofOrange (talk) 02:37, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

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Why is this massacre called a riot? Like the LA riots and Watts Riots and MKL Riots when blacks, tired of injustice, looted and burned and had the National Guard called in to stop the violence? That is not what happened here. This was a race-based massacre by a white mob of white supremacists of innocent blacks which is the very definition of a pogrom. I understand that term has been reserved mostly for Jews. But the world is updating its language now (slaves are now enslaved people, etc). It is high time Wikipedia updates its language and stops using "riot" which is what the pogrom was called by an unsympathetic press in 1917. Many of these pogroms against blacks need to be updated from riot to pogrom. But let's start here. Let's lead on this. User:Chris Orlet.

Agreed! I'm following up on User:Chris Orlet's suggestion by adding the article to Wikipedia:Requested_moves. Andersem (talk) 18:44, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for agreeing. But what does it take to get the title changed to reflect the actual truth? The first line now calls the event the East St. Louis Massacre, but title still says East St. Louis riots, like Rodney King riots in which blacks protested, burned and looted over police brutality etc. This was a white mob slaughtering blacks because of their race. That is not a riot it is a pogrom or, I guess, a massacre. Thanks, dude. Chris — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Orlet (talk • contribs) 14:42, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The most recent discussion for Tulsa resulted in a move. Talk:Tulsa_race_massacre#Requested_move_7_February_2020 StrayBolt (talk) 20:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the above comments and anon editor who corrected the page but was undone asking for a discussion. I have submitted a move request. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)