Talk:Early Irish literature

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this is just the text of the Catholic Encyclopedia so far, wikified and trimmed for pertinence. The text has its value as it is, it's certainly much better than having nothing at all or a quick list, but it needs to be updated and edited for MoS and NPOV. dab (ᛏ) 07:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not clear to me how to rewrite the relevant paragraph without rewriting a bunch more, so I'm just going to put this here. The Royal Irish Academy has completed its catalogue of roughly 1500 manuscripts. This apparently included a minimal job of indexing. I can't tell from online sources what was finished when, but I have the impression that the original catalogue was done by 1942, and the last index volume by 1970. (DON'T quote me on that.)

<http://www.ria.ie/library%2Bcatalogue/pdf/catalogue%20of%20irish%20manuscripts.pdf> is an introduction to the catalogue, and unfortunately confirms that no older MS was found in the process.

The RIA is now in the process of scanning selected manuscripts for Web publication.

<http://www.ria.ie/library%2Bcatalogue/isos.html>.

Joe Bernstein joe@sfbooks.com 75.165.10.136 (talk) 08:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the article[edit]

Surely a better title would be "Early Gaelic Literature, as much of the writing covered was from Scotland and not Irish (particularly in the Medieval period). 92.235.178.44 (talk) 11:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What about creating a similar article called "Early Gaelic literature"? The problem is that many lay people believe that "Gaelic" and "Irish" are interchangeable, when in fact Gaelic literature can legitemately be treated as a related but separate subject. The Book of Deer was written in Scotland and is both Scottish literature and Gaelic, but not Irish. 92.235.178.44 (talk) 11:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, a separate article entitled "Scottish Gaelic literature", from the time when scholars begin to speak of Scottish Gaelic (eg. Book of Deer) to the present day, would be welcome, if only to point readers to other articles on individual subjects. That one could be introduced by examples of Irish-language literature produced in early medieval Scotland. Early Irish literature is not a geographically restricted term, but it mostly refers to literature written in Old Irish and Middle Irish, wherever it was composed. To rename it to Early Gaelic literature would only confuse things. Cavila (talk) 11:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that the modern Scottish Gaelic developed directly out of the old Irish and middle Irish language, there is no reason to separate them, the Scottish and Irish traditions were no so long ago one unified tradition. It makes more sense to include a Scottish section within this article, because most of this article deals with old and middle Irish, which could be considered just as Scottish as Irish, since the languages had not yet separated. At the historical split of modern Irish and Scottish Gaelic, we should include a Scottish Gaelic section. TheBookishOne (talk) 15:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Báisteach[edit]

Removed reference to "báisteach" as originating from "baptism"; the Middle Irish form was "báidhseach", from "bádh" (to use "modern spelling") drown, soak and the diminutive "-seach".

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