Talk:Earl of Derwentwater

Hmm Proteus I don't see any point or practice for including titular holders of extinguished titles, there'd be dozens of articles needing changes to play this fantasy game. I'm temped to just revert Alci12 17:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

There're only included here because they actually used (and were referred to by) the title. It's plausible that someone might have heard one of them referred to as such and come here to find out who he was. (There's also the fact that it would now be extinct even if it hadn't been attainted, and it was never restored, so it doesn't introduce the sort of confusion that might result if we did it on a systematic basis.) Proteus (Talk) 17:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems to open the door for those who wish to start fantasy editing all sorts of long extinct or phoney titles into wiki :/ Alci12 17:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm not that bothered: I just thought that if some titular Earls were going to be listed here we should at least list them all. If you think it's a bad idea, I don't mind if you delete them. Proteus (Talk) 17:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been trying to think of some way to represent cases like; I think it a fair point to mention when someone is known erroneously by a title they don't hold, I just don't think it should mirror the normal succession lists lest it lends credibility or confuses reader as to their legitimacy. I think perhaps if they are listed in a manner clearly different and not a continuation of the genuine succession column then they won't risk being seen as the same. Just adding titular doesn't seem enough to do that job. Alci12 17:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

These are for people who would have been the Earl, but the the attainder of a predecessor. According to the Jacobites they held the title and they used it in France or wherever they lived. This is not a fantasy game. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Hon. Francis Radclyffe (2 February 1691 – 15 May 1715) son of 2nd Earl

Does anyone have any information on this man? Or any information at all related to his issue? Thanks MrTranscript (talk) 15:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

The implication of [1] is that there were no issue. He died aged 24, and the claim to the Derwentwater title passed to a younger brother, so that there cannot have been surviving sons. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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Any independent evidence of Roderic Lee Wagoner Jr? —Tamfang (talk) 05:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)