Talk:Dying Earth

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Grue??[edit]

I heard that this is where the famous grue was first mentioned, well, anywhere. -- Guitarmankev1 ^(TALK) 19:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

and the erb, and the deeodand, and many more. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:71CD:A23E:F429:F24A (talk) 15:07, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See wikt:deodand —Tamfang (talk) 18:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Setting[edit]

The passages "...magic has reasserted itself as a dominant force..." and "...has become infested with various predatory monsters (possibly created by a magician in a former age)." are incorrect. The magic and monsters are alien sciences and visitors billions of years more advanced than what we know now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.29.250.122 (talk) 18:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This. Jack Vance wrote a whole cycle based on the conceit that advanced tech would seem "as magic" to folk of the fantasy mindset (hard to define, but somewhere between the Middle Ages and the Industrial revolution - much as in fairy tales) more than a decade before Clarke became famous for formulating the idea as a law. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:71CD:A23E:F429:F24A (talk) 15:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To what extent does the Vance setting define the Dying Earth subgenre? --so that some hatlink to that article (maybe not Main article) is appropriate? -P64 2012-06-02 ...

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Influence[edit]

The use of Vancian magic in D&D is cited in several sources; Role Playing Mastery comes to mind. Vance is mentioned, as is the Dying Earth, in the AD&D 1st edition DMG, assuming my memory isn't failing. That second paragraph is not original research; it is merely improperly annotated. Wfh (talk) 12:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For now, which I should have labeled {underconstruction}, I have grouped Related Works and Influence as "Legacy" and relegated that to the end. -P64 2012-06-02 ...

Stub redirected here: Tales of the Dying Earth[edit]

This hour I have replaced a stub article about the omnibus edition by WP:REDIRECT to this article on the book series. It's talk page continues but I now reproduce the substantial Talk here. (I was the only Talkster except that User:Narayan agreed "Tales of the Dying Earth" has no distinct value.)

References

I don't know whether these references have any value, or know if and how they were used at the Stub where they were cited. For instance, I don't see mention of 'The Compleat Dying Earth.

Brown, Charles N. "The Locus Index to Science Fiction (1999)". Retrieved 2008-02-10. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
Brown, Charles N. "The Locus Index to Science Fiction (2000)". Retrieved 2008-02-10. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

--P64 (talk) 20:59, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Short story collection"[edit]

That [now-replaced stub (preceding section)] called the omnibus edition a short story collection. I think that is too simple for use but I am not certain.

Only the first and fourth of four books were marketed as collections. From ISFDB i understand that all four provided tables of contents, but two were marketed as novels. The second was overtly a fix-up of six stories, five previously published. ISFDB catalogs the third as a novel rather than a fix-up, but also qualifies that label: "This is marketed as a novel, but there is a table of contents, and some of the parts were previously published (although none are acknowledged thus)."

Was any omnibus edition marketed as a short story collection or somewhere catalogued as one?

How many previously published short fictions does the omnibus edition acknowledge?

Should this article be in some short story categories, as the stub was classified? --P64 (talk) 20:59, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy[edit]

For now, which I should have labeled {underconstruction}, I have grouped Related Works (having exported the sequels) and Influence as "Legacy" and relegated that to the end (3).

In this and my next session, i must clean up the nitty-gritty that is now grouped as main section 2. I don't know anything about the legacy except what I read here. How much of it should be covered in "Dying Earth subgenre" which now covers Vance as a latecomer who gave the field its name?

Should a film or videogame set on a dying earth be called Vancean? or considered part of the Dying Earth subgenre? If not, how much more specific and how distinct are those two? --P64 (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reported sequels[edit]

ISFDB provides bibliographic data for the four recent short works that are now covered here as sequels. It is also the source for that status in three cases (Sylgarmo and two versions of Sarnod), by cataloguing them as part of the Dying Earth series. A previous editor is the source for the fourth case (Hew) which is not supported by ISFDB.

I have examined Songs of the Dying Earth and found no indication that Sylgarmo or Sarnod differs in status from the other works collected there. The preface by Vance is general and the one-page story introductions by the editors say nothing to the point.

Perhaps we should remove all that to Talk space and say that some short fiction sharing Vance's setting has sometimes been called sequel or canon but none is confirmed.

Does anyone know whether Vance (born 1916) communicates with fans or scholars about his work? --P64 (talk) 18:37, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about lately, but the fannish Vance Integral Edition project had several work parties at his house. —Tamfang (talk) 03:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's the possibility to ask questions to Jack at this forum, but I don't know if he still answers.--Narayan (talk) 20:19, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Origins - unfinished sentence[edit]

This sentence ends rather abruptly: In the late 1940s several of his stories were published in magazines, but none of these. I looked back through a few months edits, but haven't found the missing part. Autarch (talk) 01:59, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistencies Explained[edit]

The inconsistencies in the Cugel novels are many. The fact that the novels were derived from short stories written independently and then combined explains this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.30.134.32 (talk) 03:25, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]