Talk:Dundee United F.C.

Dundee United F.C. was one of the Sports and recreation good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
September 9, 2006	Good article nominee	Listed
November 7, 2006	Peer review	Reviewed
February 3, 2007	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
October 7, 2009	Good article reassessment	Kept
August 23, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted
Current status: Delisted good article

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Famous Players[edit]

Does Gary Bollan really deserve to be in same list as Gough, Gray, Gallacher etc? 12/08/05

Proably not in that aspect - it's just listing previous players that already have pages on the Wiki site.

Which is what Category:Dundee United F.C. footballers is there for! No offence to Bobo, but I'm going to remove him from this list. Jellyman 10:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

George Galloway[edit]

Is George Galloway a Dundee United fan? I heard that he was a Celtic fan. I might be wrong of course.

I have seen articles online that states he was a Dundee United and Celtic fan. Probably just Dundee United many years ago.

The Arabs[edit]

"The Arabs - despite the provocative nature of the term"

The media aren't using it to provoke Dundee United fans. It's used because the club and supporters use the term - something they would not do if it was provocative.

Besides, what's provocative about Arabs in general anyhow? It has no place on the team page. This needs to be removed. It's like saying "The All Blacks" is provocative. --Revolt 11:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The nickname cane about because years ago when Tannadice was a quagmire

(that's Mud) to people who don't know, and as a result of this tons and tons of SAND from various places was shipped into spread on what was left of the turf. This happened often. I wouldn't be surprised to hear tha other teams visiting to play there christened them the Arabs because of this!!! 84.67.76.162 (talk) 14:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Davie Dodds[edit]

Chaps, I've created a Davie Dodds page, but I'm not the most knowledgable of people on the subject. I understand that he used to play for Dundee United, many moons ago. I don't suppose some kind hearted Arab could maybe put a couple of sentences or something in it please? It just looks a bit bare at the moment. --TheMadTim 12:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done - and more than a couple of sentences! --Jellyman 12:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2006/07 updates[edit]

Guys, do you think we should remove the 2005/06 transfers, or would it be worth keeping for an archive? I'd also propose dating each (new) transfer: what do you think? Lastly, how about a temporary section for pre-season friendlies? Fedgin 12:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have restructured the article according to the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Clubs Fedgin 11:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Previous jerseys[edit]

I've added some important/distinctive jersey designs through United's history, mainly to show changes in playing colours. Please add any more distinctive tops by studying Template talk:Football kit. Fedgin 13:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good article nomination[edit]

Two points. You need more references and some images of people discussed in the text (Jim McLean?) would be an improvement. However, this is well written, neutral and comprehensive. Just add a few more links to verify the facts and you're there. TimVickers 03:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work. TimVickers 18:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Re-Review and In-line citations[edit]

Note: This article has a very small number of in-line citations for an article of its size and currently would not pass criteria 2b.
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Photographs[edit]

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The article could do with a picture of Arabs supporters, especially dressed in headgear, etc. to justify the name. Can anyone help? Fedgin 14:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article importance[edit]

I've rated the article as 'high' importance, as I think that means this article is of high importance to Dundee United information within Wikipedia. If it means Dundee United's relevance to Football as a whole, it should be rated lower. Fedgin | Talk 15:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Its importance is in the WikiProject Football box, so it does mean the latter. If you check Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Assessment#Importance_scale you can see that it's probably Mid. Nach0king 21:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tannadice park/Dens park[edit]

The article states "the two grounds are the closest senior football grounds in the United Kingdom."

I have a recollection that they are the closest in Europe if not the world but I have been unable to confirm this, does anyone know for sure?Finewinescotland 21:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think they are in Europe but I'm sure there are a couple in South America that are closer. I Googled for a while but couldn't find anything. Fedgin | Talk 08:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to remember Simon Inglis in one of his books pointing out two in Eastern Europe (possibly in Budapest) that were closer, ie. directly opposite each other Jellyman 21:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is Budapest. Two grounds back on to each other (similar to Netherdale). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:19, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Roma's attempts to bribe the referee, 1983 EC semi[edit]

The link in the article states that Roma were fined for attempting to bribe the referee, a proverbial slap on the wrist, but this Keir Radnedge article states they were actualy banned from UEFA competition for a season and their president for 4 years, an altogether more serious punishment. Worth including? Caledonian Place 14:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

European experience...[edit]

Reference number 5, which lists Dundee United as Scotland's third most experienced team in European competition, is out of date (dated 2006). Aberdeen have since overtaken United in that regard. However, it should be obvious to everyone that none of the other teams in the list could have played enough European games in the past three years to relegate United to fifth spot. This was erroneous, and I have amended it to say 'fourth'.

It would be good if someone could provide a more up-to-date reference. I've had a quick look, but can't find anything. Vnththe (talk) 20:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arabs nickname re-visited[edit]

I know Terrors is official the name with Arabs the supporters. But I still believe for accuracy of the article, it should be mentioned at the start that the Arabs is also used to describe the club and is the preferred club nickname with some. This can be linked up with articles. Here's a good spread across the different ones. --Revolt (talk) 13:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Headline: Hearts 0 - Arabs 0 (The Sun) [1]

- Headline: Arabs bid to hold Swanson, Buaben (Press & Journal) [2]

- Headline: Andy Webster is best defender in SPL, insists Arabs interim boss (Daily Record) [3]

- Text: "Arabs manager Peter Houston echoed Gomis' comments." (Sky Sports) [4]

- Text: "Mike began supporting the Arabs in the mid 1980s" (The Courier) [5]

Founding father[edit]

Interesting article on Scotland's People [6] which may be useful in editing the early history of the club. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1999 merger claim[edit]

I have removed the piece about the supposedly agreed 1999 merger with Dundee, as this has not been reported as fact, either at the time or subsequently; the news pieces in connection with it recently only report that Roger Mitchell claims it was agreed, while some reports also include quotes in response from Peter Marr refuting what Mitchell says. I think unless / until reliable third party sources state the merger plans as fact, it doesn't warrant inclusion in the article. Jellyman (talk) 14:46, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

International players[edit]

Should Arnar Gunnlaugsson be on this list? Apparently he is on the club's internationals board at Tannadice, but I am unsure if he was capped by Iceland during his brief spell at the club?

Dunarc (talk) 22:35, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he was at Tannadice from July 2002 – January 2003 and played for Iceland against Estonia on 20 November 2002, details here. Jellyman (talk) 06:13, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I have added him to the list in the article Dunarc (talk) 18:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Smith[edit]

Should Brad Smith not be listed under First-team squad rather than Development Squad? I see he is currently in the first team section of the club website - see http://dufc.co/the-teams/first-team/ Dunarc (talk) 16:31, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You're quite right. I've actually already moved him there myself earlier in the season, but someone seems to have moved him back when I wasn't looking! I've sorted it again now, hopefully he'll stay in the right place now. Jellyman (talk) 19:39, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this.Dunarc (talk) 20:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Logo inaccuracies[edit]

The black lines which form a cross in the rhombus, missing. The colour (shade of orange) and the position of the text of the logo in the infobox are wrong. The lion rampant is different. (https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/sites/dundeeunitedfc/images/logo.png). --Phailonick (talk) 23:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A quick google search of recent previous season's kits suggests that United might have made some adjustments to their logo for the 2017–18 season, although I can't find any sources to confirm whether this is correct or not. Exxy (talk) 16:20, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pavol Šafranko in internationals section[edit]

Pavol Šafranko was listed as 2019, but while this was when he was first capped while with United, the year relates to year of debut appearance for the club (eg Dave Narey is listed as 1973, when he first played for the first team rather than 1977, the year he first gained an international cap). Dunarc (talk) 20:21, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Mckay in international players section - conflict with Dundee United's own honours board[edit]

While I had thought Billy Mckay was capped while at Dundee United and so his presence on this list was correct, I have just noticed that Dundee United's international honours board (which can be seen in this article about the recent addition of Lawrence Sankland - https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/6261/SHANKLAND-BECOMES-THE-LATEST-NAME-ON-THE-INTERNATIONAL-HONOURS-BOARD.html) does not seem to include him. I can only think this means 1) The board is wrong or 2) Mckay did not actually win a full cap while playing for Dundee United. I did briefly think of a third option - that he is not counted as he was on loan to the club rather than a permanent signing, but the presence of Warren Feeney, Andy Webster and Curtis Good on the board would seem to suggest loan signings are recognised by the club when they win caps. Thus I wonder if someone could confirm Mckay did indeed win a cap when he was at Tannadice. My quick check indicates he was an unused sub in two Euro 2016 qualifiers just after he signed, but it is possible he was capped in a friendly at this time or I am missing something.Dunarc (talk) 19:08, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Soccerway (https://int.soccerway.com/players/billy-mckay/85216/) states he was capped on 7 occasions during 2015-16, the season he spent with Dundee United. Looks like an ommision from their honours board. CoatbridgeChancellor (talk) 19:18, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Our article is correct, United's honours board does indeed have an omission. Mckay actually won one cap that season: his eleventh and most recent was as a late sub against Wales in March 2016: 1, 2 (He didn't actually win any other caps that season – Soccerway lists all games where a player was in the match day squad, he was an unused sub in the other ones) Jellyman (talk) 19:26, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Great - I was sure I remembered a cap so am glad it is correct. Dunarc (talk) 20:46, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

International players - inclusion of Trevor Carson[edit]

I see Trevor Carson has been added, but although he is in the current Northern Ireland squad, should not only be added once he has actually won a cap while a Dundee United player? Dylan Levitt has also been added, but he did win a cap for Wales this evening. Dunarc (talk) 20:23, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He was an unused substitute this evening, so has still not won a cap while a Dundee United player, so I have removed him from this section for now. If and when he gets a cap while a Dundee United player he can be reinstated. Dunarc (talk) 22:49, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He's been capped today so can be re-added CoatbridgeChancellor (talk) 16:43, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Previous Jersies revisited[edit]

There ia a discrepancy between the text and the pictorial section "Historical Home Kits". The former, in the section "Colours and Badge", suggests that the tangerine colour was adopted in 1969; the latter suggests not until 1986.

Incidentally, according to Littlewoods Pools yearbook for season 1967/1968, the team's colours that season were all white: tops and shorts.

Can someone please reconcile all this? Exbrum (talk) 12:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

Dundee United F.C.[edit]

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Result: Delisting per consensus Hog Farm _Talk 17:47, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of paragraphs lack inline citations, including the whole section "Rivalries". The current sourcing is not sufficient to meet criterion 2b. There was a GAR 13 years ago, see Talk:Dundee_United_F.C./GA1. Phlsph7 (talk) 07:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

De-list woefully short of sources, and so fails WP:GAC 2b/2c- some sections such as "Rivalries" have 0 sources at all, which means this article should be orange-tagged for more sources, not listed as a GA. Note the version promoted in 2006 and GARed in 2009 were even worse in their sourcing, and would be straight failed under the current GA guidelines. The history section also has too much detail on 2022 season (in comparison to the other 113 seasons), the "Historical home kits" section violates WP:NOTGALLERY. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

De-list Yikes, just, yikes. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 20:09, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Origin of original name: why “Hibernian”?[edit]

Why was the original name Dundee Hibernian? What was the connection to the Irish or Ireland? Can someone please add that to the article? —Danorton (talk) 19:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dundee United used as an insult in Nigeria[edit]

On an episode of QI, a Nigerian comedian mentioned that being a "Dundee" or "Dundee United" is Nigerian slang for being an idiot. This was discussed and apparently came from a tour of Nigeria that Dundee United did, I believe in the 90s, that was so bad that it became a term of derision. I do not have any sourcing for this, but may try to find some. I don't know if anyone else has heard of this. Boomcoach (talk) 13:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to find a Guardian article about this:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/11/the-unlikely-story-of-how-dundee-united-became-an-insult-in-nigeria Boomcoach (talk) 14:00, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]