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Possible additional material[edit]

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In 1854 Duleep Singh, who had converted to Christianity in 1853 but who converted back to Sikhism in 1888, travelled to Britain with Dr Login and his wife. Leading a life of leisure, pleasure and high living on a substantial allowance from the British Government, he was a regular visitor to Windsor and Osborne with the Royal Family. He was befriended by The Queen and the Royal Princes, and treated as next in precedence after the Royal Family. Prince Albert designed a coat of arms for him although it was never recorded at the College of Arms. He was granted British citizenship in 1861 and at that time he was appointed one of the first Knight Commanders of The Most Exalted Order of the Star of India newly created on 25 June 1861, when the following proclamation was issued by The Queen:

“The Queen, being desirous of affording to the Princes, Chiefs and People of the Indian Empire, a public and signal testimony of Her regard, by the Institution of an Order of Knighthood, whereby Her resolution to take upon Herself the Government of the Territories in India may be commemorated, and by which Her Majesty may be enabled to reward conspicuous merit and loyalty, has been graciously pleased, by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, to institute, erect, constitute, and create, an Order of Knighthood, to be known by, and have for ever hereafter, the name, style, and designation, of ‘The Most Exalted Order of the Star of India’”

He was created a Knight Grand Commander of the Order in 1866. The prince was the main mourner at the funeral of Sir John Spencer Login who died on 18 April 1863 and was buried at Felixstowe, Suffolk, England.

"Everyone was struck with the young Sikh Sovereign's charm of manner; his geniality and love of truth, and his straightforwardness was very unusual in an Oriental. One could not but have great sympathy for the boy, brought up from babyhood to exact the most obsequious servility ; and it was greatly to his credit that he submitted at all to any direction or discipline, or to the idea that his education was to be enforced by any system of authority. My husband was really fond of him, and the two got on famously together; yet there were occasional contests of will between them, and the first real exercise of discipline on the part of his guardian arose out of a matter so trivial as to give it an exceedingly absurd aspect. Duleep Singh had run out into the garden during heavy rain, and got thoroughly drenched. Finding him in this condition, Login wished him to change his clothes, but, half in play, the boy said he would do so at the usual time, and when urged to change at once, he turned obstinate. Then, in the quality of his governor, my husband gave him half-an-hour to do it, of his own accord, and when he still held out, told him how he grieved to coerce him in any way, but that he advised him, as a friend, not to make it necessary to have to use compulsion. Poor little fellow ! In a few minutes he came sobbing to his guardian's room, and ‘pleaded the Treaty of Lahore, which stipulated that he was to be allowed to do as he liked!" - Lady Login's Recollections, Edith Dalhousie Login.[1]
  1. ^ Lady Login's Recollections, by Edith Dalhousie Login-daughter of Sir John Spencer Login and Lady Lena Login. Queen Victoria's Maharajah, Duleep Singh, 1838-93, by Michael Alexander and Sushila Anand. 1980. ISBN 1842122320, ISBN 9781842122327

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Dalip Singh Sukerchakia → Duleep Singh – ... or alternatively to Dalip Singh with that page moved to Dalip Singh (disambiguation). He was known during his lifetime (most of which was spent in Britain) as Maharajah Duleep Singh. There is absolutely nothing in the article at present (apart from its title) that mentions the Sukerchakia misl, which in any case had been subsumed into the Sikh Empire under Ranjit Singh before Duleep was born. Opera hat (talk) 23:49, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Koh-I-Noor diamond[edit]

I have removed the following from the article
" Legality of the Koh-i-noor being acquired by the British
The Koh-I-Noor diamond was given to Queen Victoria by Duleeb Singh as a part of the treaty of Bhyowal. He also had to give up all claims to the Punjab. In return, he would be given 50,000 pounds a year. The diamond is now in the crown of England."
The entry was unsourced and is incorrect (and mis-spelt). The Koh-I-Noor did not feature in the Treaty of Bhyroval. The diamond was seized nearly two years later after the second Anglo-Sikh War and Duleep Singh did not retain it. Queen Victoria showed it to him many years later. He examined it with interest and then returned it to the Queen with a bow. Apuldram (talk) 21:39, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Wiki page on the Koh-I-Noor reads:

1849 Last Treaty of Lahore

"III. The gem called the Koh-i-Noor, which was taken from Shah Sooja-ool-moolk by Maharajah Runjeet Singh, shall be surrendered by the Maharajah of Lahore to the Queen of England." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.79.121 (talk) 10:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Possible descendant[edit]

I propose to remove the section Possible Descendant from the article. It does not follow Wikipedia's guidelines. It is based on vague surmises, such as "suggests that", "it was rumoured that", "there is report of", "believed to be".

I doubt that Duleep Singh's genetic fingerprint was recorded or known and there are hundreds of thousands of white British with blood groups common among Asians. The British were in India for quite a while. Apuldram (talk) 13:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

implemented. Apuldram (talk) 12:09, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Duleep Singh/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

the line that says that Maharaja Dileep Singh simply "gave" away the kohinoor diamond is wrong. it is mentioned in the lines below that it was taken by the British, alongwith other things that belonged to him and his family estate. It sends across the wrong message when it is simply mentioned that he "gave" the kohinoor diamond.

Last edited at 01:38, 1 January 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 13:54, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

High King ?[edit]

I have reverted the edits by User 2405:204:8200:28e2:f88d:6bdb:9e13:3fa9 / User 49.34.254.240 because they were unsourced and there is no evidence that the maharajas were called high kings. The usual titles, used elsewhere throughout Wikipedia and in the numerous sources, were maharaja and maharani. Apuldram (talk) 15:56, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Attention: 49.34.42.244 / 49.34.254.240 / 2405:204:8200:28e2:f88d:6bdb:9e13:3fa9. You need to provide verifiable reliable sources that support your use in the infobox of high king instead of maharaja. In this context. Wikipedia articles are not acceptable as sources, see user-generated content.
Although a literal translation of Sanskrit maharaja is great ruler, such literal translations aren’t used in infoboxes. For example, Himalayas is not written as Abode of snow in its infobox and Punjab is not written as Five waters.
The titles in common use by scholars, historians and others are maharaja and maharani, and we should stick with the common use unless you can provide a good reason for introducing a different title, together with strong evidence of that different title being widely used by historians.

You have also introduced unsourced incorrect information in the infobox, such as listing several regents. Please do not reinstate your edits without previous discussion here and obtaining consensus. Apuldram (talk) 11:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article was semi-protected for one week in September as a result of the unsourced unexplained edits described above, made by someone using several different IP addresses. The semi-protection has now expired and the user has resumed its disruptive behaviour without attempting to explain its behaviour here.
@49.34.12.128 / 2405:204:8109:2036:69d3:feda:3b27:1594: I repeat the advice given above that you need to provide verifiable reliable sources that support your use in the infobox of high king instead of maharaja, together with strong evidence of that different title being widely used by historians. Apuldram (talk) 14:14, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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