Talk:Duke of Sutherland

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What is the current family seat of the Dukes of Sutherland? They're still outrageously wealthy, so presumably they must have a country house somewhere. Dunrobin Castle is apparently owned by the Coutness of Sutherland, so that's obviously not it. john k 19:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heir Presumptive?[edit]

Lord Henry Alexander Egerton (b. 1977), younger son of the 7th Duke, is NOT this Dukedom's Heir Presumptive. He is this Dukedom's Heir Apparent's Heir Presumptive. That is not the same thing as being the Heir Presumptive. If the first one of the three to die is the present Duke, at that point Lord Henry's older brother will become Duke of Sutherland. If the new Duke still has no sons at that time, Lord Henry himself will THEN (but not BEFORE then) become the Heir Presumptive of the Dukedom. Right now he is only the Heir Presumptive to the Heir Apparent if the Dukedom, something that works differently from (and therefore IS different from ) being DIRECTLY the Heir Presumptive to the Dukedom.69.86.65.12 (talk) 19:48, 19 November 2013 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson[reply]

Given recent legislation, does the title not now pass down the female side? Shipsview (talk) 09:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What legislation would that be? —Tamfang (talk) 06:43, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to the Equality (Titles) Bill, but perhaps it is not yet law. Shipsview (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Rejected at committee stage in the Lords …" —Tamfang (talk) 05:56, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like the language "heir presumptive to the heir apparent"; it suggests that, if Lord Stafford dies tomorrow, Lord Henry inherits his position as heir apparent – or else that Lord Stafford has some property or dignity separate from his position as heir apparent to which Lord Henry is heir presumptive. Better would be "second heir presumptive" – he is, like everyone else in the remainder, an heir presumptive, in the sense that he inherits if everyone ahead of him dies without (more) sons, though not the first in the queue – or, as it now stands, no such formula at all. —Tamfang (talk) 06:43, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

distant successors[edit]

The section "Line of succession" could stand improvement. There's no text explaining the transition between the tree of Ellesmere descendants and the numbered list below it, and the latter omits Mark William Godolphin Egerton. —Tamfang (talk) 06:43, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Clearances[edit]

I have made some substantial edits to the section on the Sutherland Clearances. I have concentrated on removing misleading irrelevant material and things which are simply wrong. That leaves a section that needs some further work, since there is a lot more to be said about the Sutherland Clearances. However, it seemed important to get rid of seriously wrong material first. I have not inserted any in-line citations yet, as that is better done with an expanding rewrite. However, the edits are based on Patrick Sellar and the Highland Clearances: Homicide, Eviction and the Price of Progress^[1],
Set Adrift Upon the World, by James Hunter ^[2]
and Eric Richards' "Highland Clearances"^[3]
ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 21:04, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Richards, Eric (1999). Patrick Sellar and the Highland Clearances: Homicide, Eviction and the Price of Progress. Edinburgh: Polygon. ISBN 1 902930 13 4.
^ Hunter, James (2015). Set Adrift Upon the World: the Sutherland Clearances. Edinburgh: Birlinn Limited. ISBN 978-1-78027-268-9.
^ Richards, Eric (2000). The Highland Clearances People, Landlords and Rural Turmoil (2013 ed.). Edinburgh: Birlinn Limited. ISBN 978-1-78027-165-1.

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[Richards_1999-1] Richards, Eric (1999). Patrick Sellar and the Highland Clearances: Homicide, Eviction and the Price of Progress. Edinburgh: Polygon. ISBN 1 902930 13 4.

[Hunter_2015-2] Hunter, James (2015). Set Adrift Upon the World: the Sutherland Clearances. Edinburgh: Birlinn Limited. ISBN 978-1-78027-268-9.

[Richards_2013-3] Richards, Eric (2000). The Highland Clearances People, Landlords and Rural Turmoil (2013 ed.). Edinburgh: Birlinn Limited. ISBN 978-1-78027-165-1.

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