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This reads like an advertisement, not like an encyclopedia entry. Seems to require significant rewriting. Dark12222000 (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

agreed. frankly this pages consists of almost nothing other than advertising material. certainly nothing like speculation over ingredients is included. frankly, this is a page that needs to be deleted if it cannot be improved

History[edit]

I notice the "history" section is a straight copy of the blurb on the bottle's label. Beside any copyright violation possibilities, isn't there anything better to do for an encyclopedic article than to repeat the company line? --Svartalf 08:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It also sounds like corporate folklore to me. Why would Prince Charles Edward be carrying around a liqueur recipe? --Michael K. Smith 02:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious about the actual history as well. We were discussing this at work tonight which is why I came here. Wine was fortified into brandy and port out of necessity due to travel. But why was it necessary to do the same to scotch whisky, which didn't have to travel so far. I guess it's a question to save for when I build my time machine. Robotshuffle 16:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Making a liqeur and fortifying are not the same thing. And you can't fortify a spirit (you fortify a drink such as wine with a spirit. Drambuie was made because people liked the taste. According to the book Raw Spirit by Iain Banks, mixing whisky with honey and spices was simply the way it was drunk by the upper classes in the old days. Also, he states that there is some dispute around whether the Prince gave the MacKinnon family the recipe or whether they made use of the royal connection later on by inventing the tale. He cites another book (The Whisky Treasury by Walter schobert)- I'll have to see if I can get it at a library some time. Lurker (said · done) 13:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Updated to true history, there are plenty of references on the internet i dont know how to do it so if someone could link one in there that would be great 81.178.67.7 14:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to know what Drambuie is...what type of liqueur is it and how is it produced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.132.7 (talk) 04:40, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Legendary gift[edit]

How could MacKinnon, who received a recipe in 1746, have been around in "the late 19th century" to give it to Ross? MacKinnon would have been over 100 years old.

The story is not only one of legend, it's very loosely woven. --- OtherDave (talk) 17:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some facts which help to substantiate the legend behind Drambuie

Captain John MacKinnon was interviewed by the Reverend Forbes who recorded in detail the story of the friendship with Bonnie Prince Charlie and the adventures they shared during the Jacobite Rebellion through to the final escape from Skye to the mainland. The three volume account entitled The Lyon in Mourning was published in 1859.

There is accurate proof of the popularity of liqueurs as a digestif, an after-dinner drink based on spirits flavoured with herbs, spices and sugar across Europe, especially the Royal courts. Prince Charles brought up in Italy and France would have developed a taste for such sweetened and flavoured liqueurs as a young man.

Many witnesses in Scotland saw the Prince take a small bottle from which he would take a few drops during the day. This was his personal eau de vie mixture, often used for medicinal purposes. He was also seen to carry a bottle of whisky on his belt before he set off on his travels in Skye. Prince Charles's personal medicine cabinet from Culloden is now preserved at the Royal College of Physicians. This contains a collection of small bottles, essences, tinctures together with recipes and measuring scales.

Dr. Samuel Johnson and James Boswell visited Skye during their tour of Scotland in 1773 and visited Lachlan MacKinnon, who was more than generous with his hospitality. Boswell wrote in his journals of the drams he drank until the wee sma` hours. From his description it seems that he had been enjoying the family recipe for "dram buidhe", yellow dram, the colour denoting the addition of saffron to the mixture of whisky and herbs to give it a rich golden colour.

More conclusive proof to the story comes a century later when in the 1870s, John Ross, the owner of the Broadford Inn on Skye persuaded the MacKinnons to make up large quantities of their family liqueur and sell it to his customers. By this time it was a well known local drink, produced for family use. Twenty years later in 1893 John Ross's son, James, recognising the popularity and unique quality of the Isle of Skye liqueur, was far-sighted enough to patent the name Drambuie as a trademark name.

90.204.217.143 (talk) 15:22, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

just wow. if you think somebody marketing large quantities along with a yarn a century after the fact amounts to "conclusive proof" then you really don't know much about the study of history. although you'd be admirably suited to a position in PR. maybe with drambuie, perhaps? wow. what do you think this page would actually look like if we drag all this through the arbitration process and remove all the content without proper references? this is an embarrassment

Questionable statement and source removed[edit]

I have removed the following:

According to Hamish Dixon, a great grandson of James Ross...ref>Dixon, Hamish; ''The Skyeman''; (2010); city unknown</ref

until a reliable source is provided for the claims. Anyone? GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 00:38, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

also this hidden note:

...or possibly an dram buidhe meaning "the yellow drink". This is sourced to unreliable source, Undiscovered Scotland, and I can't currently find a better source. Google suggests Banks' Raw Spirit contains this claim and it will be reinserted once that is confirmed. -->

(That's not my note, but it doesn't belong in the body of the article either.) GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 01:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A reliable source will have an ISBN number; Also, publisher, publication date; and the page(s) in the book should be included; vanity publications are usually not allowed and may be considered spam. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 02:12, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update to bottle shot image[edit]

I work for William Grant & Sons as a Global Brand Ambassador for Drambuie in the global marketing department. As such I follow this page closely. I applaud the efforts of an editor to update the photo on this page and given the poor quality of the photo, I also applaud the decision to revert it. The reality is that we at the company are unhappy with this picture on this page. There is a high quality image of the current bottle that was created by a CGI agency for the company that we have the copyright for. It was specifically created to be put in the public domain since the packaging was updated in 2016.

If I upload this image to Wikimedia Commons will someone else upload it to the page? WGSFM (talk) 10:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If it stays in commons a week or so and is in fact accepted, I will gladly put the picture in the article, provided no one objects or is opposed to using it. See also, wp:COI. Regards, GenQuest ^"scribble" 19:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I appreciate the response. I am just confirming the copyright status to apply to the bottle image when uploading and will upload the file when this is done. I cannot think of any reason for objecting after this, as it will simply be a direct replacement in the same format to the image on the page, just in the current packaging, but let's see. WGSFM (talk) 14:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have had the bottle image listed as a media file for upload with the use rationale since 31/10/23 Wikipedia:Files for upload#Drambuie 70cl Bottle UK.jpg just waiting for an experienced user to review the request, thanks. WGSFM (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]