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story

im going to redo the story section, but if anyone thinks its getting too long, feel free to edit out whatever. Evaunit666 02:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


Sources

im not exactly sure why the japanese source was called fake, but i wont argue with it. it says citation needed in the first paragraph now, which wasnt there before i put in the citation, so does it need to be cited at all? everyone can tell what company made the game without a source i would think, so ill remove it, but feel free to put it back up if you disagree. and about the additions to the setting...would it be ok if i just reverted it and took off the tag? Evaunit666 01:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The Japanese source wasn't fake, the sourcing was. I.e. the link wasn't proving anything concerning its corresponding sentence (no mention of Heartbeat or Chunsoft). Kariteh 08:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
well, i was using the link more for the whole opening paragraph, rather than just the last sentence. i should have been more clear about that i suppose. Evaunit666 03:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

GamePro May 2005

Evaunit666, it was on page 46. Dragon's Den (Woodus) has a scan of the page on his website. It also listed Dragon Quest V. [1] Zenithian 19:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Evaunit666 02:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Good Article Review - On Hold

I'm placing this article on hold, as it's basically a Good Article, but a few things need to be addressed before promotion. Much of the article is, simply, a rehash of the game. A good bit of the plot section should be cut. Consider every sentence when assessing the section. Also, some overall development on "Critical Reception" and "Production" should also be added in, for comprehensiveness. Otherwise, most everything is good. Should my suggestions not be met within seven days, however, the article can be failed at any time, without any notice. NSR77 TC 22:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The article has now passed GAN. NSR77 TC 20:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
yay

Evaunit666 02:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Unofficial fan translation pictures

I think these English pictures should be replaced with pictures from the official (Japanese) version of the game. The current ones are in English, but they're from an unofficial version (some might say "illegal" version) which was never released by Enix. Unfamiliar readers could be misled into thinking the game was released in English or something. Kariteh 09:06, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

If you want to get Japanese pictures of the same things, then sure, you can replace them. For now, I'll just add that the pictures are from unofficial translations under them. Evaunit666 01:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. Kariteh 09:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Bogus anonymous claims about tokugi

In this edit (which I have reverted), an anonymous editor alleges that Dragon Quest IV introduced the tokugi system to the series. This is false. The original Super Famicon version of Dragon Quest VI was the first game in the series to include a tokugi system. Pisaro was not a playable character until the Playstation remake of Dragon Quest IV, which was released later. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Class details

Although details of stat changes were probably excessive, IMO a single sentence summary, such as "Clerics learn healing spells and wind-based attack spells." or "The Metal Babble class learns several powerful offensive skills and spells." would be appropriate. I also think the speed, defense and HP changes for Metal Babbles warrent a mention because they are so dramatic. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 23:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's good. Would you put that into the table?Evaunit♥666♥ 01:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I've restored the section for now. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 05:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

title of article

I know that the Ds version is being called realms of Reverie but why is the article about the original game called Realms of Reverie? As far as I know this did not come to pass until recently, am I wrong? 69.157.58.14 (talk) 16:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

The name of this article was change to be consistent with the Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the Chosen and Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride articles. Sgetz (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Also are the original English release isn't well known, this title will likely become the most widely recognized version.陣内Jinnai 21:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
So you think this DS title is going to sell over 3.2 million copies to make it more reconizable than the original version of the game?, isnt that speculation? I think the article (and those of 4 and 5) should reflect the original title of the games and not the remakes. 67.70.42.147 (talk) 14:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I do. Also, even if it doesn't, most reliable sources will be using the subtitle, so the most common name should be used. Furthermore, English naming supercedes foreign naming. The English release was canceled for the game in the SNES thus the first official English release trumps that, even if it sells less than 1m.陣内Jinnai 00:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Wow your good at crystal balling if you think it will sell that much (Even the remake of DQ 5 hasnt). The plain fact in reality is most sources do refer to the game as Dragon quest 6 and not the DS remake (which isnt even out yet). The game is a remake of the original. And thus the article should reflect the original game and not the remake. By your standards what about DQ4?, it was released in North america as Dragon warrior 4 but yet were linking to 'Chapters of the chosen'. Thus the first official English release trumps that.? Your reasoning doesnt hold up. Or else you would support a name change of that article? The games are remarketed versions of the original ones. Ones which do dominate the content of these articles. Anyway, this is just my belief on this matter if you and others think that history should be rewritten to give a 3 million copy seller a new name and you have consesnus who am i to say anything. 69.157.69.135 (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
We go by the most common name, which is almost always the official English translation. You might be able to argue that for DQ4 that it's not, but considering the limited print run of Dragon Warrior 4, which was even less than the limited print run of Dragon Quest III, I doubt you'd succeed. DQ6 never had that release and it has been already noted on their official website with the subtitle.
If you want want the title to be the romanji of the Japanese until its US release, that's fine.陣内Jinnai 00:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
You can follow the original debate for the Dragon Warrior IV vs. Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the Chosen over on the Talk Page. It also has the reason why this article was renamed. Anyways, as far as I am concerned, I feel the page should be left as is and not renamed, only to be renamed again in a few months. 72.237.4.150 (talk) 18:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
That is essentially what would happen here. The circumstances with DW4/DQ4 are not the same - There was no English release of this game. The upcoming one will be the first and WP:NAME as well as our own naming conventions would require it to conform to the current name.陣内Jinnai 21:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Nintendo DS

I do not know if we can include "Nintendo DS" in platforms while the remake is still in development. It could be proper to remove that until the remake is released. Any thoughts on this? Icecypher 20:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Personally, i was going to wait until more information was released to add anything about the DS remake, but it seems someone else has already added it. I think the information should be removed until we have better sources for it. Evaunit666 01:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
How about this for a source, from Square Enix's website: [2] Zenithian 19:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Great! that works for a source, thanks. Evaunit666 01:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Recently on Meta-Critic, a release date of November 1, 2010 went up for the North American release. I am unable to find any other sources leading to this though. If Meta-Critic is correct, the primary article for DQ6 should be edited to add this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neliobelmont (talk • contribs) 18:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Canceled

The games been canceled in Europe and who knows were else

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-10-dragon-quest-vi-release-in-doubt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.89.246.221 (talk) 11:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

In the same post: "UPDATE: Square Enix has offered a clarification on its European Twitter feed. A new post reads, "About DQVI, there are [sic] just no news. No confirmation, no cancellation. Please be patient and bear with us!"" This may be part of Square-Enix moving Dragon Quest to Nintendo for US and EU releases as Nintendo has done the publishing on IX, and has already come on board for X. 72.237.4.150 (talk) 18:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
It's not canceled. There is the possibility of a name change though and that they don't want it to overlap with DQ9 sales. As for the twitter comment, as it says, there is no news. It may be relevant in the future, but right now wikipedia is not the place to be posting rumors, especially ones like this where they simply confirm that there's no info forthcoming.陣内Jinnai 04:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Until "official" word is given, no.Kelzorro (talk) 22:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
See below, as per the new subtitle the game is still set for release in NA. Nothing yet on the European release. Sgetz (talk) 19:38, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Subtitle Change - "Realms of Revelation"

It was noticed over at GameFaqs that on December 7th, the Trademark was filed for Opposition for the new subtitle Realms of Revelation. http://tess2.uspto.gov/ <-search Realms of Revelation. Nothing new on it yet, but just looking more like something is coming from old SE on this one, but maybe under the new name. 72.237.4.150 (talk) 21:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

There is the possibility of a subtitle name change. No info will likely be released until 4th Quarter for SE sales are known as they could decide to drop it altogether.陣内Jinnai 23:09, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Fully changed now. http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=26902 72.237.4.150 (talk) 16:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
How do we go about having this page moved to the new name? Sgetz (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
One small question, according to the article as it stands now the European version is keeping the old name and if that is true WP:ENGVAR may suggest keeping the current name. I say may since I am not sure if that is accurate or simply an assumption about the European name. Also on another note the cover art seems a little bit small is it possible to make a larger one? --76.66.180.54 (talk) 23:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Should be changed to Reals of Revelation considering that's the name of the US version, which is what this article is about.Kelzorro (talk) 03:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I put up a new version of the Cover, a PNG of higher resolution. The EU name was not changed today as there was not yet an offical Press Release on the EU name or date. Most likely that will be coming soon though.Sgetz (talk) 04:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I went ahead and moved the page. There is no official information yet as for a release in Europe, so until that, the subtitle was left unchanged until there is something to ref. Sgetz (talk) 19:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I just had to comment that this article is not about the US version, it is about all versions. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
I understand that it is for all versions, but I was following the convention started with the Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the Chosen and followed on to the Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride to use the NA release name for the article, but still keep the JA and EU release names and information in the article. Hopefully I did not upset anyone by doing this. Sgetz (talk) 13:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to ensure that you understood; a lot of people English Wikipedia as American, which is what I read your post as. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:01, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
We go by with what's current and since DQVI's most current revision is the announced US version of the game, then that's the boxart we should use as it's been standard every since DQIV. If a few people don't like it, get over yourself and start your own wiki then.Kelzorro (talk) 16:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

BOX Art

Per the standard set on all of the other Dragon Quest games of the Zenith Series, should the box art on this page remain the new version, the NA box art? I think it should. Sgetz (talk) 04:56, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

That seems like the right choice. According to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines

Where different cover designs are available for different regions, the one from the region in which the game has been developed should be used. If the game's original release is not in English use the cover from the region in which the game receives its first English language release, unless another English language version has been uploaded first in which case don't change it. Screenshots are great for enhancing the comprehensiveness of articles, and all computer and video game articles should have at least a couple. Do not go overboard, because excessive placement of fair use images has been known to spark controversy and objection, especially with Featured Article candidates. Cover art should appear in the infobox (see below for more info on the infobox), and ideally, the most recognizable English-language cover should be used to illustrate the subject.

based on that the English cover should be used since it says nothing about not using an English screenshot if the first English release is a remake. It is also consistent with many other article. The first three Ace Attorney games being an example.--76.66.180.54 (talk) 18:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Ive changed the caption for the DS box art I hope theres no objections, after all this is technically a re-make of the game. Ottawa4ever (talk) 13:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

9 characters????

There were 10 characters, no 9. there was one (I don't remember the name) of an armor above an slime. I don't change the article cause I don't remember the name and I am not natural in english, sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.219.112 (talk) 21:51, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Citations from fan translations

I don't think we should be citing fan translations, and citing unspecified fan translations is particularly problematic. IMO we should either cite the Japanese version with both a quote in Japanese and our own translation of that quote, or cite the official English DS version after it's released. I think the current fan translation citations should be commented out and left as placeholders. -- Gordon Ecker 01:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

It's certainly not ideal and I agree with you. I wouldn't even be sure how to get Japanese quotations though and would our own translation count as original research? But until the official English version comes out, you think it'd be better to just get rid of them? Evaunit♥666♥ 05:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I just checked Wikipedia:Verifiability, non-English sources are acceptable when no English-language source of comparable quality is available, and it is strongly recommended that the relevant quote from the source be included in a footnote in its' original language. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Ideally, Japanese quotes should definitely be included. That might be difficult to find though. However, I think English fan translations are okay too (we should have both). After all, it's based on the same Japanese script; our own translation would be more or less the same as theirs. Kariteh (talk) 08:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
That's what I figured. Until the English version comes out officially, I think these are okay. Evaunit♥666♥ 02:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
If someone is playing a fan translation, they either have a patched ROM or an unpatched ROM and the patch. If that person has an unpatched ROM and the patched and unpatched versions are save-compatible (I suspect that generally, the only problem would be scrambled character names), he or she could load a save from the patched version with the unpatched version and talk to the NPC in question to get the Japanese quote, then run it through babelfish and paraphrase the result. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Out of curiousity (I may be missing something here), how does one take the Japanese quote and put it on babelfish? Since it's not something I could just copy and paste, I wouldn't be sure how to do that. Evaunit♥666♥ 04:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
The same way you'd insert Japanese text into an article, with a virtual keyboard (or by individually copying and pasting the characters from a page which contains them, such as the hiragana and katakana articles). -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 05:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. Evaunit♥666♥ 01:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
At least the fan translations are accurate and don't horribly mutilate everything for the sake of stupid and unfunny puns that weren't in the original and corny accents that no one with an IQ above 1 could possibly like. --Kahran042 (talk) 00:58, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Update

I have removed the info per consensus decided at WP:VG to WP:GAMECRUFT some time ago. There does not seem to be any independant secondary reliable sources commenting on the subject anywhere. Furthermore, the tone of the section had a BLP violation making it appear Mark Franklin's statements were disingenuous through original research.陣内Jinnai 18:19, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

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