Talk:Donkey Kong Jr. Math

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February 11, 2011Good article nomineeListed

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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk) 13:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, taking a read through.

  • "It was released in 1983 for the Family Computer" Delink year, specify Japan?
  • "It is the only game in the "Education Series" of NES games in North America." released in North America?
  • "It has been cited by educational video game developers; one Elizabeth Sweedy emphasized her desire to not make an education game like Donkey Kong Jr. Math." This seems a little out-of-place in the lead
  • "It has also received criticism from such publications as Eurogamer, GameSpot, and IGN, the latter calling it one of the worst Virtual Console games. It was the worst-selling game in the NES' launch library." Definitely worth including in the lead, but it could do with smoothing out a little.
  • I note File:Donkey Kong Jr Math box.png has been reduced in size- do you have any objection to me deleting the old version?
    I have a concern about this. What are the differences between the versions? Donkey Kong's appearance changes, and the bird/duck changes. Are these US/UK differences, or is this a fanmade box? Blake (Talk·Edits) 19:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a good point. Could we perhaps source the cover to a reliable website? J Milburn (talk) 19:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "PAL regions" What does this mean?
  • Do we not know anything about the development? People invovled? Inspiration? That kind of thing?
  • "Donkey Kong Juniors" Not gonna be clear to non-gamers what this means
  • "For example, in the below image," Nooooo. Avoid self references.
  • Sorry, the gameplay isn't particularly clear. You start talking about maths puzzles, then you're suddenly talking about vines. Is this a platformer? Single screen? You move up and down collecting numbers? It's not very clear.
  • "received very negative reception" Redundancy
  • "Donkey Kong Jr.'s moves as well" lose 's?
  • "realistic educational video games like Donkey Kong Jr. Math" Monkeys chasing numbers is realistic? What?
  • "Donkey Kong Jr. Math was poorly received as an educational game, and has been compared to several other educational games." I get that you want to introduce the paragraph, splitting it into themes, but this line doesn't seem to do that very well.
  • "Siliconera's Spencer" What is "Siliconera"/who is "Spencer"?
  • "kids'" A little informal
  • The rationale on the screenshot could do with tightening
  • The references could do with some wikilinks, and remember that periodicals (LA Times, for instance) should be italicised
  • Is the Mario and Nintendo category not redundant to the Donkey Kong category?

This is a nicely researched article and the formatting isn't bad, it just lacks a couple of details and could do with a slight prose cleaning. J Milburn (talk) 19:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that I have fixed most of the problems, save for people involved and the lead image problem. The image problem is indeed strange. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 22:07, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Could you search around online for a reliable source which shows the game's cover, and then upload a low-res version over the top of the current one, updating the sourcing as appropriate? I can then delete the old ones, and we can call that problem resolved. J Milburn (talk) 22:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The image doesn't seem to appear on reliable sources; this is due in part to the fact the Wii Virtual Console re-release does not feature the box art at any point in selling the game. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
However, in this not-quite-reliable web site, it shows the European cover: [1]
I say not-so-reliable because while they have been used as a source by reliable sources, it's not terribly frequently. However, they do seem to have a good structure, and the editor-in-chief appears to be reliable. In addition, the European box art would have multiple uses: where the current box art is not only confusing and without anything resembling a reliable source to apply to either one but also merely a zoom-in of an in-game screenshot, this one has a seemingly-reliable one and demonstrates the art style. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 09:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Your call. In this case, I can't see any reason to clearly favour any of the covers. So long as it is sourced and low resolution, I have no objection. J Milburn (talk) 16:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What's the status of this review? No comments in a couple weeks. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I've found myself very busy. I will look back into this ASAP. J Milburn (talk) 01:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Was also a bit my fault, since I procrastinated. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 09:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've given the article a quick copyedit and split some of the sections. I'm now happy to promote this- you've done a good job for such an odd little game. J Milburn (talk) 12:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your contributions and compliments! - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 09:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral Point of View[edit]

I don't see this article as coming from an NPoV. It gives an extremely negative impression of Donkey Kong Jr. Math, making it look like it's a bad game that should not be played or purchased by anyone. To people who have actually played the game (such as myself), we feel as if the game's merits are not being fully explored in this article. Of course, I'm talking from the point of view as the guy who made the only Let's Play Donkey Kong Jr. Math series on Youtube. --Prince Ludwig (talk) 23:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Every single sentence dealing with the quality of the game comes from sources considered reliable by Wikipedia. In all of my searches, I have found few to no such sources that deal with it as a quality game. It is not our job to provide a neutral POV from outside sources. They simply do not exist. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:36, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"North American box art"[edit]

We have a photograph that says "european version" right on the box, and it's labeled "North American box art?" I'm pretty sure this is an error? Alhanalem (talk) 04:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is, yes. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

Forgive me if I just didn't look hard enough to find the answer to this, but why isn't this showing an actual screenshot of the gameplay. Why is it showing a redundant box cover shot? Thanks. AerobicFox (talk) 18:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that I have mistakenly titled the new box art where the gameplay image went. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Kk AerobicFox (talk) 06:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Box Art Switch[edit]

What's up with the switch of the box art from the North American to the European version? There doesn't seem to be a reason for that at all, especially since most games I've seen articles for have the North American or Japanese covers used. Theichibun (talk) 02:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The box art was switched because the North American box art does not have a reliable source that hosts it. Additional reason being that the European box art shows the art style outside of the game, where the NA box art merely shows a screenshot of the game that is very similar to the gameplay screenshot used already in the article. And finally, your comment on what most articles do holds no bearings. They do not use NA boxes as a result of them being recommended for editors to use, they are used because the person who put the images up put the NA box art instead of the EU box art. This being the English Wikipedia, either box art is perfectly acceptable. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 04:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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NA Release Date[edit]

I believe the North American release date listed for this game is incorrect. My main source for this is the Nintendo Life entry for this game: http://www.nintendolife.com/games/nes/donkey_kong_jr_math — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColeShrop (talk • contribs) 05:54, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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