Talk:Devils Diciples Motorcycle Club

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Below moved from article text. Agree article needs cleanup Populus (talk) 20:30, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Devils Diciples Motorcycle Club Objections, by Detroit Mike DDMC

The DDMC does not authorize or contribute any information about it's self to this Encyclopedia other than the correction noted. We do not have Rivals or Allies (the sde notes are completly wrong) and are and have been standing on our own for over 40 years. The inclussion of a header shown as "Criminal Activities" is not only miss-leading on the part of this web site but possibly libal to suit. The Devils Diciples are a Motorcycle Club and not a criminal enterprise. If some members are arrested for some crime; it has to be proven that they have actually commited that crime first and further that it was a club venture. This cannot be proven because we do not plan or commit illegal acts as a club. Labeling us as doing so is libel to suit by any or all members seeing themselves being harmed by the accusation(s).

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I see that the whole format has been changed and I like it. The inclussion of the Hells Angels- Diciples Artical is still not correct, it was not one of our members and we are not rivals nor do we have problems with the 81, but we both know the truth and as long as the rest of the format--Detroit44 (talk) 17:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC) has been restructured. I rest...for now, but watch what ya say.

Disputed information

It is disputed that "William "Cats" Michaels" was a member of the "Devils Diciples" and instead was a member of the USA MC "Devils Disciples" a smaller club spelled differently and based on the east coast and affiliated with the Outlaws MC. If you read the referenced artical you will see that the club name is not spelled the same. The following URL backs up this premis. http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/07-98/07-27-98/a02wn037.htm Chief suspect arrested in motorcycle shootings.

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--Dbratland (talk) 05:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

It seems equally likely that the reporter didn't notice the idiosyncratic spelling of the name, as this one did not. A search only turns up the UK affiliates, which evidently embrace the more typical spelling as well. Are there reliable sources pointing to the existence of this other club? A general search on the term isn't helpful, given that it is used in many contexts. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 10:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The truth about our history and other things is on our website, take it from the horses mouth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Detroit44 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I think you're starting to understand Wikipedia now. These articles are not the truth. What they are is an attempt to aggregate verifiable facts from independent sources. By definition, an independent source is an outsider, and to find out what the insiders have to say for themselves, you have to go to them. That's why the subject's official page is almost always linked to at the top of the external links section.--Dbratland (talk) 18:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Comment from 207.72.69.2 (talk · contribs):

William "Cats" Michaels is not a member of the Devils Diciples MC, of which this article is about, and which intentionally misspells it's name. He was a member of an east coast MC named the Devils Disciples, which only has a couple east coast chapters, and which spells its named correctly. See: http://www.devilsdiciplesmc.us/ T"'The Devils Disciples MC (Spelling) located on the east coast (Ma, NY areas etc) are also another small club that are not associated with us at all (and will never be us).'" from the Devils Diciples website, http://www.devilsdiciples.org/DdmcEvents.htm)(*Wiki Admins, please leave this correction in, or re-write the article with the proper information.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.72.69.2 (talk • contribs)