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Dean's title is outdated[edit]

Hello! @BeenAroundAWhile and Whoisjohngalt: I work at The New York Times and wanted to flag that Dean stepped down as executive editor on June 14, 2022. (Joe Kahn is the current executive editor. His page is outdated incorrect as well.) Dean now leads a local investigative Times fellowship that will launch in the coming months. Please see citations for these two facts on Dean.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/06/14/joseph-kahn-new-york-times-twitter-democracy/

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/outgoing-times-editor-to-lead-fellowship-for-local-probes/

Thank you! 68.197.248.95 (talk) 00:16, 6 July 2022 (UTC) Danielle Rhoades Ha 68.197.248.95 (talk) 00:16, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

inconsistent dates for start of executive editorship[edit]

Date(s) need correcting. I do not have the information to correct it. Apologies if I am using the Talk section incorrectly - it's my first time. Opening section says: "Baquet has been the Executive Editor of The New York Times since June 2, 2011" Career section says: "Baquet was appointed to the Managing Editor position in September 2011,[12] and promoted to Executive Editor on May 14, 2014." Dcmarin1 (talk) 12:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Updates to Early life and education section[edit]

Hello! On behalf of The New York Times Company as part of my work at Beutler Ink (see disclosure above), I'd like to submit a few requests to expand and update this article. First, I'd like editors to consider updating a couple details in the Early life and education section. Following is the current markup:

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Baquet was born in New Orleans, Louisiana, on September 21, 1956.[1] He is the son of well-known New Orleans restaurateur Edward Baquet and a member of a prominent New Orleans Creole family.[2][3]

Baquet graduated from St. Augustine High School in 1974.[4] Baquet studied English at Columbia University from 1974 to 1978; he dropped out to pursue a career in journalism.[5]

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference localreporting was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Jervey Tervalon, The Creole Connection: Dean Baquet, LA Weekly, April 19, 2006. Accessed June 2, 2020.
  3. ^ "The Creole Kings", The Times Picayune, July 20, 2004, via frenchcreoles.com. Accessed May 18, 2014.
  4. ^ Massa, Dominic (May 14, 2014). "N.O. native Dean Baquet named New York Times executive editor". WWL-TV. New Orleans. Archived from the original on May 17, 2014.
  5. ^ Sarah Peterson (October 2013). "New York Times Editor Dean Baquet Speaks at Foster-Foreman Conference". Onward State.

I've drafted a new version here, which seeks to accomplish the following:

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  • Remove duplicate mention of his exact birth date, which is already confirmed by the opening paragraph; this is consistent with MOS:BIRTHDATE, which says, "Beyond the first paragraph of the lead section, birth and death details are not included after a name except in a case of special contextual relevance."
  • Add mention of the New Orleans neighborhood in which he was raised (Tremé), per The Times-Picayune/The New Orleans Advocate
  • Add mention of the subject's number of siblings
  • Clarify use of "Creole": his restaurateur father operated a Creole restaurant; replace the www.FrenchCreoles.com source with one published by The New Yorker and replace the LA Weekly source in which the author seems to identify as Creole but the subject does not
  • Add a Columbia Daily Spectator source to verify his alma mater, supplementing the event piece published by Onward State (Pennsylvania State University)

This diff shows the specific changes I'm proposing for the above reasons. I'd like to think these are non-controversial updates to existing text, and understand volunteer editors will have the final say here. The New York Times Company has verified accuracy. I won't be updating the article directly because of my conflict of interest, so can someone please review these requests and update the article appropriately on my behalf?

@Randy Kryn and Whoisjohngalt: I'm putting this request on your radar since you helped at Talk:A. G. Sulzberger.

Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 21:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you should make these edits instead of waiting for somebody to come along and do them. If you made one or two at a time, you could give other editors the opportunity to check the sources and if there is a problem, it could be discussed here. Sincerely, and best wishes, 04:58, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
I am happy Inkian Jason did not make the edits. I checked all the material provided and found them to make the article better while making the section more clear.  Done Whoisjohngalt (talk) 12:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BeenAroundAWhile: Thanks for the encouragement, but I do not edit the main space apart from very minor and obvious fixes given my conflict of interest. I will be posting another request momentarily if you or User:Whoisjohngalt are willing to review. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your assistance, Whoisjohngalt. Inkian Jason (talk) 14:14, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Updates to Career and Notable stories[edit]

Hello again! I'm back with some additional suggestions for improving this Wikipedia article, specifically the Career and Notable stories sections. Speaking of which, I propose making Notable stories a subsection of Career since these claims are related to his work. I've drafted a new version here, which accomplishes the following:

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  • Clarifies that the subject began his career at the States-Item (which was later merged)
  • Adds mention of Baquet becoming national editor of The New York Times
  • Adds mention of his professional relationships to John Carroll and places paragraph breaks between Los Angeles Times text and surrounding content
  • Removes some of the roles in the string of "Washington bureau chief, national editor, assistant managing editor, and the managing editor" not verified by sourcing
  • Removes the following text: "In 2017, Baquet defended the decision to publish confidential photos from the Manchester Arena bombing investigation shared by U.K. intelligence and law enforcement with their US counterparts. In response, the U.K. restricted intelligence sharing with the U.S." This text is about Baquet speaking on behalf of the company and a collective decision to take a specific action. Sourcing does not attribute the decision to Baquet specifically, and this level of detail is unnecessary in a personal biography. If the decision must live somewhere on Wikipedia, I'd argue the company article is most appropriate.
  • Adds mention of Baquet's attempts to diversify the company, per multiple reputable sources
  • Adds mention of Baquet formerly serving on the Committee to Protect Journalists as well as his interaction with President Trump re: press
  • Under Notable stories, adds mention of the specific Pulitzer Prize category and reason for nomination
  • Removes the following text: "In January 2015, in the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo shooting, Baquet called Marc Cooper, a journalism professor and blogger at the University of Southern California, "an asshole" on Facebook. Cooper had criticized the New York Times for not publishing the cartoons of Muhammad, in the context of the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy." This text is not about the subject's work, and I don't think name calling on Facebook is a necessary detail for this biography. Again, this content seems more appropriate for the company page, or Cooper's Wikipedia entry.
  • Adds mention of the subject's interview with Jay-Z; formats dates, uses Template:Quote, and changes "National Public Radio" to "NPR" per NPR

This diff shows the specific changes I'm proposing for the above reasons. The New York Times Company has verified accuracy, and I understand volunteer editors will have the final say here. I won't be updating the article directly because of my COI, so I hope someone can update the article appropriately on my behalf.

@BeenAroundAWhile and Whoisjohngalt: I am bringing this request to your attention given your comments above.

Thanks again, Inkian Jason (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above request has been  Completed and is  Done.Whoisjohngalt (talk) 21:55, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Whoisjohngalt, thank you so much for reviewing this request and updating the article. Inkian Jason (talk) 14:13, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Updates to Personal life section[edit]

Hello again! I'm back with 2 suggestions for improving this Wikipedia article, specifically the Personal life section.

1. First, I propose changing "They have one son, Ari.[1]" to "They live in Greenwich Village and have one son, Ari.[2][3]"

2. I also propose removing the following: According to Baquet's colleagues, he prefers to be known as "Creole" as opposed to African-American. His brother, Terry, has stated, "Creole in New Orleans is black. We're descendants of Haitians. We're black; Creole is not a race."[4] LA Observed does not seem to be an ideal source, and the text describes how the subject identifies via colleagues and his brother, but not the subject himself. I'd argue if Wikipedia is going to make claims about how someone identifies, then the self-identifies should come directly from the subject. As a reminder, I'm submitting requests on behalf of The New York Times Company.

References

  1. ^ "The New York Times Executive Editor Dean Baquet named speaker for Columbia College Class Day 2016". Columbia College. 23 March 2016.
  2. ^ Gardner, Eriq (April 9, 2015). "New York Times' Dean Baquet Gives Look at Private Office, Says He Checks Facebook 15 Times a Day". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved August 3, 2020. Still, the newsman has a hard time switching off, even under pressure from his wife, Dylan, at their Greenwich Village house post-8 p.m.
  3. ^ "The New York Times Executive Editor Dean Baquet named speaker for Columbia College Class Day 2016". Columbia College. 23 March 2016.
  4. ^ Roderick, Kevin, ed. (July 25, 2005). "Giving Baquet Advice". LA Observed. Retrieved September 25, 2015.

@Whoisjohngalt: I saw you've expressed feeling a bit exhausted from assisting with this series of requests. I feel obligated to make you aware of this request, given your previous help, but understand if you'd prefer someone else help here. Thanks, Inkian Jason (talk) 20:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe we should list the names of the children, or even mention them at all, since they are neither Notable nor particularly historic. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BeenAroundAWhile: I understand. Are you willing to update the sentence as proposed, minus ", Ari"? Inkian Jason (talk) 14:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for updating the article, Whoisjohngalt. Inkian Jason (talk) 20:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Updates to Awards section[edit]

Hello again! I'd like to submit a request to update the article's last section about awards. Currently, the section is written in bullet form and has some unsourced claims. I've worked to convert these bullet points into prose, cite all claims, and add a couple more recent updates such as honorary degrees, Freedom of the Press Award, etc. I've proposed specific text and sourcing here, and you can view specific markup changes here. I think you'll find the claims are neutral and non-contentious, and reviewing should not take long at all. Finally, I'd like to propose a final change to the introduction. Please considering replacing "which exposed corruption on the Chicago City Council" with "for stories exposing corruption on the Chicago City Council" which is more accurate @Whoisjohngalt: Again, I know you've said you prefer others assist with these requests as well, but I want to make you aware of this request and appreciate all your assistance thus far.

Thanks again! Inkian Jason (talk) 21:59, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have a link to the text of the award? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BeenAroundAWhile: Which one? Inkian Jason (talk) 14:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Pulitzer. We should get the wording right. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 16:22, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BeenAroundAWhile: I think this link should help. Thanks for your assistance updating the article. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:34, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BeenAroundAWhile: Thank you for updating the article's introduction. Would you be willing to update the Awards section a well, per this draft? I've added a couple more recent awards (and honorary degrees) and converted the bullets into prose. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:50, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Inkian Jason: The Awards section has been updated.  Done
@Whoisjohngalt: Thank you, once again, for updating the article on my behalf. @BeenAroundAWhile: If either of you are willing to assist with updating the page for Baquet's colleague, please see outstanding requests at Talk:Meredith Kopit Levien. Thanks again! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Officeholder in infobox[edit]

I tried adding {{Infobox officeholder}} as a module; see this revision. Loriendrew reverted, noting that the NYT editor is not a political office. Looking at the documentation, I don't see any explicit instructions not to use it outside politics, and I've certainly seen it used for things ranging from college presidents to NRA presidents. I think it's useful to have predecessor/term dates/etc. in the infobox, but I acknowledge the "incumbent" language it adds is slightly awkward (it could be manually overridden if we really wanted). Loriendrew, could you expand on your concerns, and could we work out a way to expand the information in the infobox in whatever way ends up being appropriate? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 10:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There was a discussion about this, see Template talk:Infobox officeholder/Archive 21#non-political offices?. All the template documentation appears to be about political–type office holders. As al alternative, perhaps a Template:S-start type succession box may be more appropriate.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 00:53, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Loriendrew, hmm, {{S-start}} seems like it could work. The format/documentation doesn't look easy, but I'll try to figure it out. I think there probably needs to be a bigger discussion about this topic, as the one you linked had only one person expressing an opinion, so it has essentially zero precedent-setting value, and the use of {{Infobox officeholder}} for non-government offices is pretty widespread. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 14:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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